FrancieBrady wrote: » A young immature man deserves to have his life and career blighted for making some remarks on a whatsapp group chat and for a drunken night? Ok :eek:
fattymuatty wrote: » A teenager was left sobbing and bleeding through her clothes, these men thought that was something to brag and joke about. Yeah they deserve repercussions. Like it or not when your career is being a high profile sport person you are a role model, people like these should not be in that position.
AudreyHepburn wrote: » Did the jury not return a Not Guilty verdict? If not then what was the outcome of the trial because I must have missed it. No one is saying such a verdict means the woman is lying, only that there was a misunderstanding as regards consent.
tretorn wrote: » Who is Jack Grealish, I have never heard of him.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Young men (and women) brag about conquests. Is this even news? Young men mostly mature to become decent family men. P.S. Maybe it is no harm that the myth of sportspeople being some sort of examplars for society is busted once and for all. And not just on the basis of these particular sports people.
One eyed Jack wrote: » Downplay it as much as you need to Francie, but as I pointed out already, the accounts of their behaviour and their attitudes is already available in the public domain for everyone to form their own opinion of just those men and their behaviour, and like I previously mentioned - it falls far short of the standard I would expect of any ordinary man, let alone any men who are in the public eye because they are considered professional sports players. Are those men the kind of men you would think any young boy should aspire to emulate to or see them as role models? I certainly wouldn't.
Mrsmum wrote: » Just on the not guilty/innocent thing people ie everyone will have to accept the verdict of not guilty and be happy with that. But leave that case aside - if you look out your window one night and see the young lad next door smashing your car windows, you yell at him and he looks up at you so you see him clear as a bell. You get him taken to court & there you have no witness bar yourself but his parents back him up that he was in bed asleep and he is found not guilty. So legally he is not guilty and you must live with that but actually he is as guilty as sin and certainly not innocent. So you see there is a difference.
Christy42 wrote: » You must have missed what is discussed in a trial. They found out there is not enough evidence to convict. The lack of knowledge of the legal system is quite frankly embarrassing. It has not been proven there was a misunderstanding. It was not proven she was lying. It was not proven they raped her. That seems to be the situation. Similarly I will be impressed by any litigation cases succeeding for people saying I believe her. That is not defamation. People are allowed to believe what they like. People are allowed believe that a trial came to the wrong decision. If they were found guilty and someone believed it was wrong they would likewise not be sued (successfully).
FrancieBrady wrote: » Young men (and women) brag about conquests. Is this even news? Young men mostly mature to become decent family men.P.S. Maybe it is no harm that the myth of sportspeople being some sort of examplars for society is busted once and for all. And not just on the basis of these particular sports people.
Mrsmum wrote: » But once you do know you can't put the genie back in the bottle. We can't pretend we have no knowledge of what we now know. We can only decide that their disrespect to women doesn't matter.
fattymuatty wrote: » Young men brag about leaving women crying and bleeding through their clothes, really? You are saying this is totally normal male behaviour?
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Strazdas wrote: » Sport is a multi million pound industry these days with saturation media coverage. The average professional rugby player is on around €250,000 a year. The idea that players can do whatever they like in their off time doesn't hold water.
FrancieBrady wrote: » This is more of the sensationalist mythmaking about this case. At no point did I see them bragging ' about leaving women crying and bleeding through their clothes'. Yes they bragged about conquests and sex and that was nothing to be proud of but it is also nothing that most young men and women do.
Fann Linn wrote: » But their verbal disrepect for women wasn't on trial. Its not my kind of language, but I know and hear it frequently. I hear it in the golf club bar, on the bus or train and I'll hear it again tomorrow when I go back to work and it won't be just confined to my male colleagues either. They were on trial for rape and found not guilty, anything after that is just people stoking the fires in a rush to get the verdict that they actually wanted.
Discodog wrote: » The question is how can someone, who has drunk so much, know if the woman has consented ? In law we say that someone can't consent if they are incapable. So surely it's wrong for a man to proceed if he can't be sure that she is consenting ?
Conspectus wrote: » Mod-I,Conspectus, being of somewhat sound mind do hereby solemnly swear to perma ban anyone that posts anything about the woman that may identify her. This includes(but not limited to) her name,occupation,parents names,occupations,friends names. Ye have already seen what the defendants in this case are willing to do to anyone allegedly slandering them and the Public Prosecution Service of Northern Ireland will do to anyone naming the woman. I'm sure Boards.ie would have no problem in handing over your details if a Section 8 came in the door. Section 8 explainedhttps://www.dataprotection.ie/docs/Disclosures-Permitted-under-Section-8-of-the-Data-Protection-Act-Section/y/237.htmThis thread will be locked for 1 hour to let this sink in to everyone's head.
irishman86 wrote: » Ive had this conversation a thousand times Ask all these idiots to check the phones of there nearest male relation of the 20-30 range and they are going to be shocked what guys write in bravado
Mrsmum wrote: » If that is the case and you are the one suggesting all men as in anyone's male relations talk like that about women, why the outrage when one young woman holds up a Men r Trash placard. Would she not be right if what you are saying is true. And what sort of pathetic creatures are you that you need to diss the person you were intimate with so you can impress your mates. Grow up.
Oaklyn Early Fauna wrote: » I'm getting more and more shocked with the carry on after this verdict. Protests and marches after the "wrong" verdict was delivered by a jury in a different jurisdiction. People still calling the defendants rapists and goading the defence to sue them. Then one of the defence teams receives death threats. These people seem to have a huge problem with democracy, due process and trial by jury. It's nasty, sinister and subversive. This island has had huge problems in the past with subversives wanting to run things their own way, carrying out their own form of justice, courts and punishments. Belfast, where all this occurred only knows it too well. It'll be a sad day for the State and law and order if we give in to these people and their hatred.
Here we go wrote: » Not that I know or want to know who the person is and I do belive in the law that protects people coming forward as any breach may intimidate future victims of such crimes reporting it and any and all blame of innocent people brought to court should lie on the police/dpp for going forward in such cases not the accuser, my I ask is it a truly illigal to name her in this duristicsion just like the Jamie bulger case can the U.K. Courts impose there laws on citizens of a different state who riside in a different state
