FrancieBrady wrote: » Faugheen wrote: » Francie has said he would admit performing the act if brought in for questioning by police. There's your evidence. IF I DIDN'T STOP. Can you please stop with your sinister carry on here.
Faugheen wrote: » Francie has said he would admit performing the act if brought in for questioning by police. There's your evidence.
Silentcorner wrote: » Well back in the 60s and up into the 70s it was illegal for a woman to refuse sex to her husband... At least we are progressing eh!
Faugheen wrote: » I know how the law works, pal. I honestly don't think you understand what we're talking about here. We're talking about the fact performing a sex act on somebody while they sleep is illegal, and you just walk us through what the guards might do. If Francie admits to this to the guards under questioning then how could he be found not guilty (barring the case being thrown out for whatever reason)?
Faugheen wrote: » YOU HAVE ALREADY PERFORMED THE ACT WHILE THE PERSON IS ASLEEP
emeraldwinter wrote: » Faugheen wrote: » I know how the law works, pal. I honestly don't think you understand what we're talking about here. We're talking about the fact performing a sex act on somebody while they sleep is illegal, and you just walk us through what the guards might do. If Francie admits to this to the guards under questioning then how could he be found not guilty (barring the case being thrown out for whatever reason)? How is it illegal if there was no conviction ????
FrancieBrady wrote: » Faugheen wrote: » YOU HAVE ALREADY PERFORMED THE ACT WHILE THE PERSON IS ASLEEP And she wakes up enjoying it, does not say stop. Stop with your galloping with a ball of your own hyperbole and sensationalism.
Faugheen wrote: » How is it against the law if there is no conviction? You mean I can go rob a bank, but because I didn't get convicted I didn't break the law?
emeraldwinter wrote: » Aye it is. And when the wife refuses that's that. My wife has read some of this and just tutted and walked off.
Faugheen wrote: » We're talking about when she doesn't enjoy it, which is when someone would be more likely to report you. **** me you are actually dense. I'm out.
Silentcorner wrote: » I faxed a printout of this thread to my professor of law in Oxford and he tutted too..."what else would you expect from islanders" is what he said... To be fair, the fax is old, and it is late he might be drunk...but he agreed with me...that's the main thing!
FrancieBrady wrote: » Faugheen wrote: » How is it against the law if there is no conviction? You mean I can go rob a bank, but because I didn't get convicted I didn't break the law? Have you ever initiated sex? If not - ok. If so - how did you do it?
emeraldwinter wrote: » Then the Guarda would either charge or not. Then the DPP would weigh up the case and the legislation.
Faugheen wrote: » Not when someone was asleep, no I haven't. What has that got to do with anything?
emeraldwinter wrote: » Faugheen wrote: » We're talking about when she doesn't enjoy it, which is when someone would be more likely to report you. **** me you are actually dense. I'm out. Again the lack of cases speaks volumes.
Strazdas wrote: » If the person on the receiving end refused to cooperate with the authorities, there would no charge, trial or conviction. It would be entirely dependant on that person deciding to press charges.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Faugheen wrote: » Not when someone was asleep, no I haven't. What has that got to do with anything? Can you answer the question asked? Have you ever initiated sex? If not - ok. If so - how did you do it?
The Talking Bread wrote: » Didn't happen.
Silentcorner wrote: » It's about as likely that your mans wife read through the thread...tut tutted and walked off!!! And one is as irrelevant as the other!
emeraldwinter wrote: » You do know the guards can still take a case without cooperation ? I beat my wife she says out of fear I did not they can take a case on her behalf.
Strazdas wrote: » I think this one would be virtually impossible to prove without the testimony of the main "witness". The other person can say whatever they like but if the one that was on the receiving end refuses to corroborate it, it would be nigh on impossible to get a conviction.
Faugheen wrote: » I will when you tell me what relevance it has to our conversation about performing sex acts on people while they sleep.
emeraldwinter wrote: » Mine happened though.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Initiating sex when there is a chance it may or may not be wanted. I guess you are not going to answer. I will tell you what I do as what I consider a normal person in a relationship does. You try, your partner says ok = great. Your partner says no = not so great, but there will be other times. i.e. how normal people behave and don't end up in a court of law.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Faugheen wrote: » I will when you tell me what relevance it has to our conversation about performing sex acts on people while they sleep. Initiating sex when there is a chance it may or may not be wanted. I guess you are not going to answer. I will tell you what I do as what I consider a normal person in a relationship does. You try, your partner says ok = great. Your partner says no = not so great, but there will be other times. i.e. how normal people behave and don't end up in a court of law.
emeraldwinter wrote: » I cant think of anyone who's partner initiated sex from sleeping would then call the guards. Or is that i have not become so jaded. Especially if it's a woman performing the act.
Faugheen wrote: » If I try to initiate sex with someone and they tell me 'no' or even the slightest bit hesitant, I don't follow through with it. When I have sex with my girlfriend, I make sure to ask her if she's alright. If during sex my girlfriend decides 'no more' then I stop.You know how I was able to have sex with my girlfriend in the first place? I had consent, that was withdrawn. If you perform a sex act on someone while they are sleeping. They are NOT in a position to say no. How do you not get this? Don't come back me with the idea that they might enjoy it. I'm not referring to that. I'm referring to someone who wakes up to someone giving them oral sex completely freaking out when they see the person giving them oral sex they didn't consent for.
