Silentcorner wrote: » What are you on about?
hynesie08 wrote: » irishrebe wrote: » Depends on various factors. I'm dating a man who is 6'4 and well built. I'm 5'4-5'5 and skinny. If we share a bottle of vodka, which of us is going to end up worse off? Who's got a higher tolerance? Did one of you have a heavy meal? Or do you just assume women can't drink like men?
irishrebe wrote: » Depends on various factors. I'm dating a man who is 6'4 and well built. I'm 5'4-5'5 and skinny. If we share a bottle of vodka, which of us is going to end up worse off?
irishrebe wrote: » I've lost my mind? I'm literally just suggesting a hypothetical scenario in which a man was in the same position rather than a woman. Rather funny you find it so extreme, and rather telling. No, I don't mean a gay man. I mean a straight man. What does sexual orientation matter if someone is too drunk to consent? Women, regardless of whether we're gay or straight, keep being told we shouldn't get drunk around men because they might want to rape us. Well, some men are gay. So would you agree that a straight man who goes back to a house party with men he doesn't know and ends up having sex with multiple men when drunk has no grounds to bring a rape case?
irishrebe wrote: » Well obviously when women were specifically being referred to, then the female pronoun would be used, like in English. Any time a person in general was being referred to, the male pronoun was automatically used as the default. I don't think you understand the difference between masculine and feminine nouns and gender pronouns. Or much of anything, really.
emeraldwinter wrote: » Miles away from home, I took it to mean should be done in the home.
emeraldwinter wrote: » irishrebe wrote: » Well obviously when women were specifically being referred to, then the female pronoun would be used, like in English. Any time a person in general was being referred to, the male pronoun was automatically used as the default. I don't think you understand the difference between masculine and feminine nouns and gender pronouns. Or much of anything, really. There are some nouns that express entities with gender for which there is only one form, which is used regardless of the actual gender of the entity, for example, the word for person; personne; is always feminine, even if the person is male
Silentcorner wrote: » Oh sorry, it has to be done by a rape crisis team is my understanding, very often a woman may have to travel 20/30/40 miles to the nearest available centre...not a pleasant experience I would imagine...
emeraldwinter wrote: » I would imagine not but evidence collection if primary for getting a conviction. Contamination would lead to an out and make it inadmissible.
irishrebe wrote: » in the context of the legal text which was quoted and referred to people in general as 'he'?
ShowMeTheCash wrote: » irishrebe wrote: » I've lost my mind? I'm literally just suggesting a hypothetical scenario in which a man was in the same position rather than a woman. Rather funny you find it so extreme, and rather telling. No, I don't mean a gay man. I mean a straight man. What does sexual orientation matter if someone is too drunk to consent? Women, regardless of whether we're gay or straight, keep being told we shouldn't get drunk around men because they might want to rape us. Well, some men are gay. So would you agree that a straight man who goes back to a house party with men he doesn't know and ends up having sex with multiple men when drunk has no grounds to bring a rape case? You have already embarrassed yourself on the "drunk" definition as it is clear you don't know what this means in under Irish law. Women are not told not to get drunk because "men might what to rape you" again I do not know what crazy planet you live on but you are coming across as insane, most people even men are told not to get too drunk and essentially make bad choices. What you appear to want to do is take a "bad choices" woman can make remove all responsibility and put it solely at the feet of the man. Also a straight man is not going to consent to sex drunk or sober. It is more compatible if we can at least agree the consent is at least a possibility drunk or sober.
emeraldwinter wrote: » irishrebe wrote: » in the context of the legal text which was quoted and referred to people in general as 'he'? Were getting off topic, You said society. I simply pointed out that is incorrect. Are you talking about Irish law or UK law ? Is the text originally in Latin for example ?
irishrebe wrote: » Who says we're operating under Irish law? I never said I was. But if you think there is no way to be charged with being 'drunk' in Irish law, you're very much mistaken. Oh dear, you're embarrassing yourself. There were literally pages of multiple men ON THIS VERY THREAD telling women not to go to men's houses or get drunk around men. Guess you missed those, did you?Who says the straight man consented to sex? He says he didn't. His word against theirs.
emeraldwinter wrote: » irishrebe wrote: » Who says we're operating under Irish law? I never said I was. But if you think there is no way to be charged with being 'drunk' in Irish law, you're very much mistaken. Oh dear, you're embarrassing yourself. There were literally pages of multiple men ON THIS VERY THREAD telling women not to go to men's houses or get drunk around men. Guess you missed those, did you?Who says the straight man consented to sex? He says he didn't. His word against theirs. Would that not be evidence of anal rape in this case force penetration that would show up in an exam ?
irishrebe wrote: » we're off topic because you brought up some bizarre and irrelevant point about French grammar. You're denying that legal texts (and plenty of other types of texts) referred to any person as 'he' rather than 'he/she'?
hill16bhoy wrote: » I think originally the complainant in the Belfast trial texted a friend to see if they would bring her to a SARC (sexual assault referral centre) in Newry, before going to the Rowan Centre, which is in Antrim Town.
emeraldwinter wrote: » irishrebe wrote: » we're off topic because you brought up some bizarre and irrelevant point about French grammar. You're denying that legal texts (and plenty of other types of texts) referred to any person as 'he' rather than 'he/she'? which ones the ones in Latin, Irish, English ? maybe provide a link i have not seen it.
irishrebe wrote: » The kind that would cause a laceration in the anus, for example?
emeraldwinter wrote: » irishrebe wrote: » The kind that would cause a laceration in the anus, for example? Yes fissures that could not be attributed to any number of execration Functions.
irishrebe wrote: » You have not seen it, despite the fact that the text I linked to which used only male pronouns started this entire conversation?
irishrebe wrote: » Wow, you jumped right into that one. I rest my case.
chicorytip wrote: » So the "We believe her" brigade clearly regard the members of the jury who - after weeks of listening to what was, at times, complex and contradictory evidence - delivered a swift and unanimous not guilty verdict, as complete and utter fools!!
Faugheen wrote: » Having read through this thread, just want to spell some things out for some people here. Not guilty = prosecution couldn't prove the case beyond reasonable doubt. Not guilty =/= innocent Not guilty = presumed innocence (based off the first definition above) Not guilty =/= the jury didn't believe her story. Not guilty =/= no crime taking place. Not guilty =/= the woman consented Not guilty =/= the woman lied Not guilty =/= she filed a false rape allegation. The last two in particular, I've seen many people say that she's a liar, she should be named and shamed etc etc.
Not guilty =/= the woman was truthful
bebeman wrote: » At the end of the day it all boils dow to buyers remorse. Who here has not gone out, had a few drinks, done some dancing or karaoke? Next day you wake up, full of remorse for acting the fool the night before, it was great fun at the time , but now you regret it. We have a female witness that said in court the girl was a willing participant, this woman the next day when sober, regretted what she done the night before, and in a attempt to reclaim her dignity cried RAPE! If women want modern feminism, equal to men, they have got to accept that you will have sexual encounters that you are not proud off. Wake up the next morning, "what have i done, no way, too hell with it, forget about it, Get on with you life".
bebeman wrote: » We have a female witness that said in court the girl was a willing participant, this woman the next day when sober, regretted what she done the night before, and in a attempt to reclaim her dignity cried RAPE
