Silentcorner wrote: » Excuse me? I am a man... I feel the time is right to reform the legal process when it comes to rape cases.... There was an article this morning in a Belfast news outlet...last year there were 825 alleged rapes....15 convictions....now can you not see the problem with that? Are you that blind????? I'd imagine the number are similar here in the Republic.... I do not and cannot be identified as some kind of feminist....I don't give a fukk what you or anyone thinks of me... I can't for the life of me understand how any man could feel threatened in any way or insulted in any way at the suggestion that we change the way we process rape cases..... And that makes me some kind of creep?????
_Dara_ wrote: » I’m against these protests but wtf is up with this non sequitur? People were found guilty there so what would people be protesting about?
irishrebe wrote: » We moved away from Clondalkin in my last year of primary. Would you like me to give you the exact address?
Omackeral wrote: » irishrebe wrote: » I wouldn't say so, no. But if living in not nice parts of Dublin, going to Trinity (ever heard of a thing called the TAP?), learning a few foreign languages and living abroad is so unbelievable to you that you think I'm making it up, I'm actually quite flattered. Not only have I heard of it, I partook in it. Physical and Life Sciences back in 2003/04. I speak Irish fairly well and am currently learning Spanish. We’re fairly similar you and I.... well except for the daily sexual comments and random abuse from perfect strangers and passers by.
irishrebe wrote: » I wouldn't say so, no. But if living in not nice parts of Dublin, going to Trinity (ever heard of a thing called the TAP?), learning a few foreign languages and living abroad is so unbelievable to you that you think I'm making it up, I'm actually quite flattered.
Silentcorner wrote: » There was an article this morning in a Belfast news outlet...last year there were 825 alleged rapes....15 convictions....now can you not see the problem with that?
The Talking Bread wrote: » irishrebe wrote: » We moved away from Clondalkin in my last year of primary. Would you like me to give you the exact address? I give up. Your account of the story when played out against all your posts is as inconsistent as anything. You continuously harped on about your schooling and growing up in Clondalkin when discussing your upbringing. Never alluded once to anywhere else? When people speak about growing up they wouldn't cut short at where they lived up until 11 years of age? "I grew up in Clondalkin" "I grew up on a sh*tty estate in Clondalkin" "I'm from Clondalkin and heard as much of that sh1te studying at Trinity than I did back on my estate." (I mean, were you privy to or understand the context of these chats at 10 years of age...........)
“I want to acknowledge publicly that though I committed no criminal offence on the evening of the 28th of June 2016, I regret deeply the events of that evening. “I want to acknowledge that the complainant came to court and gave evidence about her perception of those events. “I am sorry for the hurt that was caused to the complainant. “It was never my intention to cause any upset to anyone on that night. “I don’t agree with her perception of events, and I maintain that everything that happened that evening was consensual.”https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/stuart-olding-i-am-sorry-for-the-hurt-that-was-caused-to-the-complainant-1.3443214
Bob_Marley wrote: » The conduct of the accused was extremely questionable
Nermal wrote: » The criminal justice system is not constructed to maximise the chance of conviction. Deal with it.
irishrebe wrote: » You're actually expecting a complete stranger on the internet to tell you exactly where they lived and when? Are you kidding me? I lived in Clondalkin from age 3 to 11, and then again from 16-17 (I'm not exactly sure of the exact date we moved back - let me ring my ma and I'll get back to you) to 21 and again after that at different times, so yes, I tell people I'm from Clondalkin. Some of my best friends have no idea that I wasn't born there or that I lived in a different area for a time, and yet someone on Boards.ie thinks he's entitled to tell me I'm a liar because I didn't list every address I've ever lived at. Jesus F*cking Christ On A Bike.
suicide_circus wrote: » What do you propose? Remove the burden of proving guilt beyond reasonable doubt?
FrancieBrady wrote: » So what are the 'we believe her' banners about? They are clearly protesting the verdict in this case. If you want reform (which I think has to happen too) this is not the way to do it.
irishrebe wrote: » We might even have met in college so. And yet you're implying that it's so far fetched to come from a sh1te area, go to Trinity, speak several languages and live abroad that I must be lying? Or did I misunderstand the point of your comment?
Bob_Marley wrote: » The root cause of all this mess was the excessive consumption of alcohol by the participants. The complainant was not deliberately lying as some claim. The conduct of the accused was extremely questionable, but legally, they were deemed not guilty of actual rape. Here's the crux of the case and why the Jury unanimously acquitted them after hearing 9 weeks of evidence in this very complex case : “I want to acknowledge publicly that though I committed no criminal offence on the evening of the 28th of June 2016, I regret deeply the events of that evening. “I want to acknowledge that the complainant came to court and gave evidence about her perception of those events. “I am sorry for the hurt that was caused to the complainant. “It was never my intention to cause any upset to anyone on that night. “I don’t agree with her perception of events, and I maintain that everything that happened that evening was consensual.”https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/stuart-olding-i-am-sorry-for-the-hurt-that-was-caused-to-the-complainant-1.3443214 The trial hasn't ruined anyones life, unsocial media has, and the law in NI badly needs to be changed.
bebeman wrote: » Whats a hickey?
fly_agaric wrote: » Its the 21st century. We don't need courts, trials, judges, beyond reasonable doubt or any of that archaic gobbledegook. Vote buttons on twitter for guilt or innocence + radio buttons for punishment options are the way forward!
Nermal wrote: » How?
Silentcorner wrote: » I believe it was wrong to publically name the 4 lads...but that is a Northern Ireland Issue... I find the media circus a bit hard to take.... I believe it was completely wrong to pit a 21 year old young lady against a legal team totalling 12 people...including facing 4 barristers over 8 days....WITHOUT ANY LEGAL assistance of any kind...at least if she had her own defence team she might of had a sporting chance... She never got to present to the court character witnesses...her character was assassinated in the pursuit of doubt.... Her underwear were paraded around the court... The court only saw CCTV footage of her behaviour... I accept the verdict and I wish the 4 lads well and sincerely hope they can get their lives back on track.... But when you are achieving a rate of 15 convictions out of 825 alleged incidents there is something clearly wrong.... What do you propose...we leave everything as is???????
Silentcorner wrote: » I believe it was completely wrong to pit a 21 year old young lady against a legal team totalling 12 people...including facing 4 barristers over 8 days....WITHOUT ANY LEGAL assistance of any kind...at least if she had her own defence team she might of had a sporting chance...
Motivator wrote: » Not unless Jimmy Saville worked in a factory when you were 11. Entirely unbelievable story. There’s no way a “group” of men would shout and roar in a sexually motivated way at a child. One might do it but not a group. Total lies.
Silentcorner wrote: » I believe it was completely wrong to pit a 21 year old young lady against a legal team totalling 12 people...including facing 4 barristers over 8 days....WITHOUT ANY LEGAL assistance of any kind
Silentcorner wrote: » her character was assassinated in the pursuit of doubt
Silentcorner wrote: » Her underwear were paraded around the court...
Silentcorner wrote: » What do you propose...we leave everything as is???????
Omackeral wrote: » irishrebe wrote: » We might even have met in college so. And yet you're implying that it's so far fetched to come from a sh1te area, go to Trinity, speak several languages and live abroad that I must be lying? Or did I misunderstand the point of your comment? The thing I found hardest of all was the constant abuse from perfect strangers and all the perverted pedophiles you encountered on a daily basis. My sister nor any of my female friends have ever complained of this on my sh*thole estate. My brothers nor any of my male friends roar out sexual abuse at pre-teens either. I guess all of that in conjunction with the Good Will Hunting story was a bit of a stretch for me but sure I’m just some bloke online, I could’ve making all this up.
John4Edinburgh wrote: » Here's a proposal. Stop chasing celebs and ending up drunk and starstruck in their bedroom, start taking some personal responsibility and don't end up drunk in the bedroom of a celebrity.
optogirl wrote: » Absolutely not...remember very well being in primary school and having groups of builders shouting. I felt embarrassed and ashamed and a bit unsure as to what it all meant.
suicide_circus wrote: » But she had a legal team.... If people accept the verdict what is #ibelieveher all about? She faced 4 barristers because the CPS brought 4 people to trial based on her complaint.
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