end of the road wrote: » it's definitely a no
Timberrrrrrrr wrote: » And yet hundreds of thousands will and the 8th will be repealed. Now I'm sure.you will come back with your usual drivel but the fact of the matter is that momentum is on the repeal side.
end of the road wrote: » there is no real tangible evidence for that. the reality is we do not know which way the vote will go. marches and opinion poles are something only a minority of people will ultimately take part in so aren't enough to gage anything really. a lot of people are silent on their views, and there is a bit of a back-clash around the world at the moment against eliberalism/libtardism, so that may have a part to play in the vote also.
volchitsa wrote: » This Hippocratic oath mythologizing again. Your own link says that it banned surgery (use of the knife) so hardly something to be copied directly. Not only that, the link also says : "The Oath's prohibition of abortion is also not found in contemporary medical texts. The Hippocratic text On the Nature of the Child contains a description of an abortion, without any implication that it was morally wrong,[13] and descriptions of abortifacient medications are numerous in the ancient medical literature.[14] " So not all that clearcut at all then.
Lisa Billions Gum wrote: » Maybe.
david75 wrote: » SO the poster who wants to save DS babies just used the word libtard. The level of utter stupidity and hypocrisy from the pro lifers never ever ceases to make me laugh.
pilly wrote: » I've said it before and I'll say it again. The answer to the question that is the title of the thread is YES, a christian CAN vote to repeal the 8th if they want. That's a fact so I wish people would stop telling lies. A christian can vote whatever way they like in this referendum or not vote at all because we're not members of a cult thankfully. We have free choice.
end of the road wrote: the discussion and the question is whether a christian can morally vote for the killing of the unborn though. there is no debate that one can legally vote whatever way they want, or not vote at all.
Graces7 wrote: Speaking as a Catholic, always NO
pilly wrote: » 1. This is about Christians apparently, not Catholics. 2. Nobody's asking you to have an abortion so that's that problem solved. You won't have to kill anyone.
Timberrrrrrrr wrote: » Thanks for proving me right.
end of the road wrote: » i haven't proved your point. there is no real tangible evidence that the 8th will or won't be repealed, or that momentum is on the repeal or non-repeal side. the reality is we do not know which way the vote will go. marches and opinion poles are something only a minority of people will ultimately take part in so aren't enough to gage anything really. a lot of people are silent on their views, and there is a bit of a back-clash around the world at the moment against eliberalism/libtardism, so that may have a part to play in the vote as well, meaning a huge no vote is possible. but only the vote will tell us, so trying to predict the vote is futile.
end of the road wrote: except it's not problem solved as people will be able to kill human beings just because they are inconvenient.
david75 wrote: » EOTR you are both a hypocrite and the worst kind of fool.
david75 wrote: » From another thread. This morning I got thinking about all this debate. I thought about the few people I know who had diagnosed FFA pregnancies and who choose to carry to term. One couple has a child now with significant & severe special needs. Another got a few precious days with their baby. Others were born sleeping. In all of those cases, the couples involved got amazing care from hospital staff, or from organisations such as Feilecain. Other professionals in their fields have donated their time or their skills to try to give a couple reeling during incredibly painful time some lasting memories. There were photographers giving them precious photos, seamstresses and knitters making delicate beautiful gowns for their babies to give you just a couple of examples of what folk do for newly bereaved parents. Down the line, I've seen the difficulty with the actual reality of having a disabled child who survived from a FFA diagnosis. The endless appointments, therapies and hospital stays far away from home. Waiting on multiple waiting lists. Home help. Respite care. Home nursing. Wheelchair ramps. Adaptable cars. Hoists, adult nappies, adaptation of homes and furniture to accommodate a disabled growing child. There are various organisations, charities and HSE outpatient supports that help parents with some of this but it's still a daily struggle. But I wondered where LoveBoth were in all of that? In the beginning to support people going through that pregnancy? Afterwards when the baby was born? Not once did I ever hear, out of all of the organisations that supported my friends, that the service or assistance the parents of a special needs baby was provided by LoveBoth. Not so much as a baby hat. I wondered what they actually do for the babies they love so much. Maybe they provide bereavement counselling I thought. Or helped with funeral costs? Or maybe they offer a NICU nurse support so they could briefly bring their baby home for a few days? I was sure that they offer some sort of help...because they love both, right? So I googled to check. And they don't appear to provide a thing. Not a single link to a support or a service for a crisis pregnancy, rape, FFA, or post-natal supports. Absolutely nothing. Love Both my arse.
pilly wrote: » For some reason even though I have you on ignore your posts still show up on my phone so I'd appreciate it if you'd discontinue quoting me because I'm not conversing any longer with your lunacy.
david75 wrote: » EOTR you are both a hypocrite and the worst kind of fool. From another thread. This morning I got thinking about all this debate. I thought about the few people I know who had diagnosed FFA pregnancies and who choose to carry to term. One couple has a child now with significant & severe special needs. Another got a few precious days with their baby. Others were born sleeping. In all of those cases, the couples involved got amazing care from hospital staff, or from organisations such as Feilecain. Other professionals in their fields have donated their time or their skills to try to give a couple reeling during incredibly painful time some lasting memories. There were photographers giving them precious photos, seamstresses and knitters making delicate beautiful gowns for their babies to give you just a couple of examples of what folk do for newly bereaved parents. Down the line, I've seen the difficulty with the actual reality of having a disabled child who survived from a FFA diagnosis. The endless appointments, therapies and hospital stays far away from home. Waiting on multiple waiting lists. Home help. Respite care. Home nursing. Wheelchair ramps. Adaptable cars. Hoists, adult nappies, adaptation of homes and furniture to accommodate a disabled growing child. There are various organisations, charities and HSE outpatient supports that help parents with some of this but it's still a daily struggle. But I wondered where LoveBoth were in all of that? In the beginning to support people going through that pregnancy? Afterwards when the baby was born? Not once did I ever hear, out of all of the organisations that supported my friends, that the service or assistance the parents of a special needs baby was provided by LoveBoth. Not so much as a baby hat. I wondered what they actually do for the babies they love so much. Maybe they provide bereavement counselling I thought. Or helped with funeral costs? Or maybe they offer a NICU nurse support so they could briefly bring their baby home for a few days? I was sure that they offer some sort of help...because they love both, right? So I googled to check. And they don't appear to provide a thing. Not a single link to a support or a service for a crisis pregnancy, rape, FFA, or post-natal supports. Absolutely nothing. Love Both my arse.
Graces7 wrote: » Replied to you on the other thread; a tirade that has no foundation in the real love so many parents give freely and without the self pity you write here. Parents who cherish their child. Selfless love. After all, they could have one to the UK.... They chose freely and in love to keep that damaged, beautiful child.
Graces7 wrote: » Please define "Christian". No we do not have the freedom in any branch of Christianity to disobey the commandments . "Thou shalt not kill" is pretty simple And from the beginnings of Christianity, abortion is specifically forbidden very clearly.
Graces7 wrote: » "Thou shalt not kill" is pretty simple
Katie Full Leak wrote: » So Regina Doherty was ignorant and is now pro abortion.She is also putting out the idea of a second referendum if the "correct" result isn't given.. Now where have I seen that before? Smacks of desperation to me.what happened to democracy?https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/repeal-campaigners-will-not-accept-a-no-vote-says-minister-1.3430112%3fmode=amp
Delirium wrote: » How is it undemocratic to continue to campaign for repeal if the vote is no in the referendum? I would presume that many pro-life people won't abandon what they see as their moral responsibility to protect the unborn if repeal happens. Personally, I would see it as a part of a democracy to campaign for the changes you want in your country, even if one vote doesn't go your way.
Katie Full Leak wrote: » I can't speak for all pro life groups so If it's passed, in my view it's passed. I mightn't like it but the people will have spoken. Looking for the so called right decision in a second vote by either group is trying to tell the people you don't know what you really want.....try again. Brings me back to the Nice treaty..or was it Lisbon? We need to be grown up and respect the wishes of the majority. That's how a democracy works.
david75 wrote: » Interesting to see us talking about democracy when the pro life campaign have hired the same company that hijacked the democratic process both in brexit and the US election.
