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Severe Weather Snow / Ice Weds 28 FEB ( Onwards ) READ MOD NOTE POST#1

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Time to start a new thread as the other one reaches its capacity!

I'm sure kermit.de.frog will add a forecast and keep it updated for us.

So to kick it off a few mouth watering charts of the snow and cold potential over the coming days, stay safe.

Looking very windy going into Thurs night and look at those windchill readings!

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babybuilder

wakka12 wrote: »

I think some parts of west Kerry mayo galway and Donegal didn't

Heaps in Inishowen. Thaw on now but roads were impassable. No council intervention and supposedly their gritters broke down.

Mam of 4

It is snowing here again , big flakes , Portlaoise..

pad199207

Lackagh Co Kildare

Oops69

pad199207 wrote: »

Lackagh Co Kildare

people will be going sightseeing there in may !

Mam of 4

Mam of 4 wrote: »

It is snowing here again , big flakes , Portlaoise..

Phew , it's stopped now

Rodin

Heroditas wrote: »

We got a text from my daughter's school last night asking for volunteers to help clear snow around the paths and entrances to the school, otherwise it'll have to remain closed on Monday.
Seeing that it's been closed since Tuesday evening, I have a feeling there will be no shortage of volunteers with their shovels later.

Will be the teachers be out shovelling too?
They're well rested.

Oops69

Rodin wrote: »

Will be the teachers be out shovelling too?
They're well rested.

They'll either ' supervise' or do an 'in - service day' to organise the shovelling , so the process should be up and running by 2020

Rikand

wakka12 wrote: »

I think some parts of west Kerry mayo galway and Donegal didn't

And they made sure to let us know what an awful event it was too

Oops69

Rikand wrote: »

And they made sure to let us know what an awful event it was too

just wait till the flooding in Galway and the midlands now, you ain't heard nothing yet .

Macy0161

Efforts to clear the routes in and out of Roundwood and Laragh being severely hampered by snow tourists. At best they're slowing down the work, but reports they're getting stuck. There's one lane just about passable, and people are parking in the passing spots to go to the Sugarloaf. Probably their "right" to come and the Government's fault...

200motels

I have to say here in Waterford City they kept us all informed through Map Alerter, also the main roads were kept open, unfortunately my car is still buried in snow and slush on a side street and still cannot move it.

lolo62

Macy0161 wrote: »

Efforts to clear the routes in and out of Roundwood and Laragh being severely hampered by snow tourists. At best they're slowing down the work, but reports they're getting stuck. There's one lane just about passable, and people are parking in the passing spots to go to the Sugarloaf. Probably their "right" to come and the Government's fault...

That's annoying are you stuck down there?

An Ri rua

Rodin wrote: »

Will be the teachers be out shovelling too?
They're well rested.

The majority of workplaces closed Wed-Friday, at least THursday and Friday. No need for teacher bashing. I see negativity and BS creeping into this thread. Catch yourselves on.

endacl

Rodin wrote: »

Will be the teachers be out shovelling too?
They're well rested.

I’ll be shovelling here. Have to get to the main road before I can start the journey to the school. Anyway, your sly dig, if you’ll pardon the pun, wasn’t wasted. Consider this your response from the profession.

Addle

Very sadly had to remove some beautifully shaped snow this morning so I could drive into town.

Map alerter sent many alerts on behalf of Roscommon co co too.

4ensic15

irishrover99 wrote: »

But if they are getting paid anyway, surely it's no more cost to the economy.

I seen that some were not ready to be deployed because of training, but in other countries, armies do all their training in these conditions.

I was out clearing my road and walking about as bad as it was.

The Civil Defence was not deployed in Longford due to training. The Civil Defence is run by County Councils, not the military. Defence Force numbers are down massively since the 1980s. 50% of Regulal and only about 20% of the Reserve strength are still serving. The Defence Forces have a small number of vehicles suitable for use in heavy snow. These vehicles were used for transpot of medical staff and patients. As for doing anything else, they would be no better equipped that 10s of thousands of other people who were told to stay home.

Macy0161

lolo62 wrote:

That's annoying are you stuck down there?

I'm not too bad, but live on the main road. But the longer it takes to clear the regional roads, the longer it takes to get to the local roads, where people are seriously stuck - people without water, burst pipes but plumbers can't get to them etc.

Also very limited deliveries getting through (and won't be helped by the tourists) and even well prepped households are beginning to run short of milk. It'd be a big help to everyone to have fully stocked shops.

An Ri rua

Oops69 wrote: »

just wait till the flooding in Galway and the midlands now, you ain't heard nothing yet .

You're expecting the floods to be bad or the complaining to be bad? I hope its the former or you're seriously full of sh1t.

Cork Boy 53

Big wet flakes falling in my area of west Cork now. Looks like the snow is fighting back. Turning heavier now but melting when they hit the ground.

SleetAndSnow

Know what's great to see. The met eireann Twitter posts . The comments are mainly 'Great work guys you helped!' 'Deloghted you guys deserve a break now after that's etc etc, rather then the usual 'ah stop now' sort of posts. Happy to see that.

Skedaddle

fin12 wrote: »

Would it be ok to walk the blackrock/Mahon, Cork walk tomorrow? Just wondering what the walkway be like?

I think it should be ok but make sure you've good grips on your shoes. There are still some patches of unmelted, compacted snow.

It could be all gone by tomorrow but just keep your eyes open in sheltered spots. It's not warm enough for a 100% thaw.

irishrover99

4ensic15 wrote: »

&20 is more than the number of military deployed overseas. It is about as many as were available to go to the border in the 1969 emergency. Most of those out during the snow were on training courses which were interrupted by the snow. The Naval Service is undermanned and can't be expected to bring ships home to deliver food in vehicles it doesn't have. The air corps is undermanned and can't be expected to deliver food in nvehicles it doesn't have. Military bases with guns and ammunition in them need to be guarded. The defence force has a limited number of vehicles. Some have to be kept available to deal with incidents like LIDL. Some troops haven't been able to go to their own homes for days and see that their own famiiies have food. The selfishness of some people is staggering. They expect troops to put themselves at risk hunderds of miles from home so that they can have fresh milk nin their local sho!

I've plenty of milk and food as i stocked up be some people didn't or were unable too.

But your right. Expecting defence forces to put themselves at risk is wrong.
Perhaps they all that they were signing up to run crèches.

Rodin

An Ri rua wrote: »

The majority of workplaces closed Wed-Friday, at least THursday and Friday. No need for teacher bashing. I see negativity and BS creeping into this thread. Catch yourselves on.

It's unreasonable to be asking for volunteers to help clear snow without involving those who are actually employed by the school.
Why should a staff member stay at home while a parent volunteer gets shovelling?

irishrover99

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Gonzo

much of the snow is melted here now. Patches of green already in the garden and level snow is only about 4 to 6 cm deep. The majority of this should be melted here by this evening as it's currently raining to help thaw even further.

An Ri rua

Rodin wrote: »

It's unreasonable to be asking for volunteers to help clear snow without involving those who are actually employed by the school.
Why should a staff member stay at home while a parent volunteer gets shovelling?

Most schools, if they were to obey health and safety guidelines, would remain closed. The pressure being brought to bear is by parents, some of whom have to go back to work, others who want to for leave reasons.
Threads normally go this way, after events. I imagine the government over-reacted with the red and Orange alerts also?

We're hardly out of the woods and already there is teacher bashing and, very hard to fathom, Defence Forces bashing. Right down to questioning the will of the individual personnel? Seriously distasteful posting.

Boards, keyboard warrior heaven.

Rodin

An Ri rua wrote: »

Most schools, if they were to obey health and safety guidelines, would remain closed. The pressure being brought to bear is by parents, some of whom have to go back to work, others who want to for leave reasons.
Threads normally go this way, after events. I imagine the government over-reacted with the red and Orange alerts also?

We're hardly out of the woods and already there is teacher bashing and, very hard to fathom, Defence Forces bashing. Right down to questioning the will of the individual personnel? Seriously distasteful posting.

Boards, keyboard warrior heaven.

If you read correctly you'd have seen the request to help clear snow came from the SCHOOL. Not from parents. With the threat of the school not being opened if the snow wasn't cleared. It is not unreasonable to ask why the staff of the school are not clearing that snow rather than children's parents.

''We got a text from my daughter's school last night asking for volunteers to help clear snow around the paths and entrances to the school, otherwise it'll have to remain closed on Monday.
Seeing that it's been closed since Tuesday evening, I have a feeling there will be no shortage of volunteers with their shovels later. ''

As regards the west/northwest the government got it completely wrong.
No need to shut down the northwest as well as the south east. Hospital patients cancelled. Shops shut. Schools shut. Transport stopped.
All completely unnecessary in the north west.

sryanbruen

_Dara_ wrote: »

What was so magical about 2010 was how bright the countryside was on moonlight nights. I was living with my parents at the time in the rural west of Ireland. We actually got very little snow but what did fall stayed frozen on the ground for weeks. It was amazing to see the usually dark nighttime countryside illuminated on moonlit nights, to be able to see faraway hills. Even when there was no moon, it was quite bright. Irish snow is so often accompanied by overcast conditions so this was very special.

I 101% agree with you, the sunshine is what made 2010 for me, never mind the snow. Every month bar July was sunnier than normal, January, February, April, October, November and December record breakingly so for parts. To me, it was the ideal year for sunshine with the majority of places having between 1600-1800 hours of annual sunshine compared to the average of 1200-1400 hours.

Those snow days with the sunshine like 27 and 28 November 2010 here were so beautiful and magnificent. I long for a repeat of those conditions any day.

nacho libre wrote: »

I wonder why the ecm was showing the pv reorganising earlier on then. I hope we get one more easterly blast- a long shot, i know. I miss the ice days and seeing everything white. Maybe if i had witnessed as much as some people here had, i might think differently:pac:, though. I really hope you're right about low solar activity meaning we will see severe cold outbreaks sooner rather than later in the future. Although i doubt we will see anything quite like the last few days ever again in Ireland.

There's several possible reasons nacho libre:

1. The ECM hasn't a clue what it's talking about. You've seen what some models have been like through this entire event - and historically too with previous years - in bringing back the Polar Vortex and our normal zonal pattern. The GFS is usually very evident of doing this in particular.
2. With intense blocking already in place, the Canadian Warming could be ruining the blocking and making the Polar Vortex regain itself. The problem with saying this is that a Canadian Warming has never occurred in February before back to 1950-51 when stratosphere records began as well as a Canadian Warming has not occurred since December 2000.
3. Just like with the major SSW, the model is struggling to pick up on where we will go. The Canadian Warming occurred on 18th/19th February so it's been the minimum duration now (around 10 days to 2 weeks) for impacts on the troposphere to take place. Therefore, this needs watching.

I can tell you with high confidence, extremely high at that, we will see cold Winters in the next few years or at least Winters with notably cold spells at some points. I've shown evidence on solar activity why I say this and why it's literally next to impossible to not get the cold spells. Every solar cycle around these parts have significant cold at some point. Maybe we won't see snow depths like what Emma brought for another 20-30 years though never rule anything out with our climate but significant cold and 2010 styled snow, a definite occurrence if my theories are correct.

I wouldn't rule out another easterly, though it is highly unlikely.

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Care to predict what that could mean for us weather wise?

There's a few possible scenarios.

1. Polar Vortex regains itself as a result of the warming ruining the blocking like it did in previous cold spells such as that of February 2009. This in turn leading us to a mild, unsettled pattern. Whilst this is certainly possible for April, for March historically, it has zero chance - at least being mild that is. Even with the zero chance, I still say you can't rule anything out like maybe it'll be unique? We have had some very unique seasons the past few years.

2. With the Polar Jet so far south to us and blocking in place, a northerly or northeasterly looks to be favoured. This would be March 2013-esque cold, daytime temperatures generally between 4-7c, minimums around -2 to 2c in rather dull and wet conditions. I hate to say this (since March 2013 is my personal least favourite month) but to me this is the most likely scenario.

With the state of the zonal winds, I don't think we'll be turning to a westerly any time soon.

haminka

Gonzo wrote: »

much of the snow is melted here now. Patches of green already in the garden and level snow is only about 4 to 6 cm deep. The majority of this should be melted here by this evening as it's currently raining to help thaw even further.

Even my snow-mad daughter was cheering at the sight of the melting snow. Too much is too much.

erica74

200motels wrote: »

I have to say here in Waterford City they kept us all informed through Map Alerter, also the main roads were kept open, unfortunately my car is still buried in snow and slush on a side street and still cannot move it.

Never heard of mapalerter before, just installed it. Thanks!