kneemos wrote: » How would they ever manage if the road,path and obstacles such as traffic islands all look the same?
Brian OBrien wrote: » You'll never beat the discretion of the human brain.
Bruthal wrote: » The incredible stupidity seen on the roads every day, would suggest many brains would easily be beaten.
LIGHTNING wrote: » lol
Brian OBrien wrote: » Well, here's my reasoning. If someone is standing at the side of the road who may look like they are a scammer (certain ethnic minorities come to mind) or a young child or children playing by the roadside, a human brain will know to slow down and prepare for someone darting or jumping out. A computer will only look at what's on front of it and brake at the last minute if something comes on front of it. Am I misunderstanding anything here?
Bruthal wrote: » Well the driver checking their fb page on the phone wont see child, scammer, or path.
Brian OBrien wrote: » So is the best situation a self driving car which a human has to remain "in charge of" and can take control should they see fit?
Bruthal wrote: » Its hard to know how far it will progress in our time.
Bruthal wrote: » Brian OBrien wrote: » So is the best situation a self driving car which a human has to remain "in charge of" and can take control should they see fit? Its hard to know how far it will progress in our time. It would be handy after a few pints though.
HonalD wrote: » Babies born today will never have to learn to drive. That's how close it is to happening.
Brian OBrien wrote: » Bruthal wrote: » Well the driver checking their fb page on the phone wont see child, scammer, or path. So is the best situation a self driving car which a human has to remain "in charge of" and can take control should they see fit?
Brian OBrien wrote: » HonalD wrote: » Babies born today will never have to learn to drive. That's how close it is to happening. Will you not need a license to be "in charge of the vehicle" though, manually driven vehicles will still exist won't they?
salmocab wrote: » Brian OBrien wrote: » Well, here's my reasoning. If someone is standing at the side of the road who may look like they are a scammer (certain ethnic minorities come to mind) or a young child or children playing by the roadside, a human brain will know to slow down and prepare for someone darting or jumping out. A computer will only look at what's on front of it and brake at the last minute if something comes on front of it. Am I misunderstanding anything here? Well it depends on the way its programmed but in theory the computer can keep watch in all directions at once so in fact it can watch both the road and the scammers plus the car behind the dog on the path and the next set of lights all at the same time so it could probably be safer, although for all that I'm not sure I'd be comfortable being driven by a machine even if it was proven to be safer.
Brian OBrien wrote: » I'm 27, I'd like to think I'll be driving for 50 more years :P
Brian OBrien wrote: Am I misunderstanding anything here?
HonalD wrote: » Not only that but as vehicles are connected (they can communicate information between each), vehicles that pass situations will notify others of the situation and the following vehicles will compute based on this information through ai applications.
Brian OBrien wrote: » Will you not need a license to be "in charge of the vehicle" though, manually driven vehicles will still exist won't they?
CiniO wrote: » And I think we are still very far away from having fully functional self-driving cars which could drive in all conditions. I actually don't believe that will be possible, until quantum computers develop. But then we're doomed anyway. So far - there will be more and more driving aids, but I wouldn't be hoping for anything major in my lifetime (and I'm 36 now).
eeguy wrote: » CiniO wrote: » And I think we are still very far away from having fully functional self-driving cars which could drive in all conditions. I actually don't believe that will be possible, until quantum computers develop. But then we're doomed anyway. So far - there will be more and more driving aids, but I wouldn't be hoping for anything major in my lifetime (and I'm 36 now). There's nothing that supports your view though. Most industry people say it'll take 5 years or less to have the technology at a good enough stage to release. It doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be consistently better than people and that's a view shared by many legislators in the US. There's a load of hokum, whataboutery and misinformation about autonomous vehicles, but if you do some cursory research you'll see that its coming sooner than most people think.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » I think it will take people time to get used to them. Think how nervous some people are as passengers when someone regarding know is driving. Now imagine those people putting their trust in a computer. I don't think it has anything to do with how safe they are because people are useless at calculating risks. Even if they're much safer, there will still be collisions and the tech-phobes will be able to use them to argue against self driving cars. It will be class if cars are safer and quicker in traffic etc, but the other side of the coin is all the lost driving jobs.
blackbox wrote: » They've had autopilots in planes for many, many years, but they still disengage and depend on the pilot in abnormal conditions. Unfortunately, as mentioned above for cars, the pilot can be taken by surprise when this happens. Apart from very slow city vehicles, I think it will be several years before autonomous vehicles don't require a person in charge.
CiniO wrote: » I just think we need substantial progress on artificial intelligence to make self driving cars fully functional.And IMO it's not going to happen quickly. Or at least I hope it's not, not only because I wouldn't like to see self driving cars, but generally it would be the beginning of the end.
Fully autonomous vehicles will be on the road before 2022, says NVIDIA CEO The CEO of the chipmaker NVIDIA, Jensen Huang, said that “It will take no more than four years to have fully autonomous cars on the road.” This refers to actual cars driving on the road (not just car models being ready technically) and assumes that the key legal issues will also have been resolved. (Source: Reuters, 2017-10-26 ) Audi to introduce a self-driving car by 2020 Scott Keogh, Head of Audi America announced at the CES 2017 that an Audio that really would drive itself would be available by 2020. (Source: IEEE Spectrum, 2017-01-05) NuTonomy to provide self-driving taxi services in Singapore by 2018, expand to 10 cities around the world by 2020 The company has just started trials of its self-driving taxis in Singapore’s 1 North District. It plans to deploy self-driving taxis commercially in Singapore by 2018 and aims to be operational with fleets of self-driving taxis in 10 cities of the world by 2020. (Source: Yahoo News, 2016-08-29, Digital Trends, 2016-05-24) Delphi and MobilEye to provide off-the-shelf self-driving system by 2019 Both companies have announced that they will bring a fully self-driving (SAE level 4) system on the market for use in a variety of cars in 2019. Source: TheVerge, 2016-08-23 Ford CEO announces fully autonomous vehicles for mobility services by 2021 Mark Fields, Ford’s CEO announced that the company plans to offer fully self-driving vehicles by 2021. The vehicles, which will come without steering wheel and pedals, will be targeted to fleets which provide autonomous mobility services. Fields expects that it will take several years longer until Ford will sell autonomous vehicles to the public. Source: Reuters, 2016-08-16
eeguy wrote: » Here's a few quote from people more in the know than you.
CiniO wrote: » We'll only find out if they are more in the know by 2019/2020/2021/2022 or whatever their declared date it. They are basing their statements on their business needs. I'm basing my statement on my own perception of current world affairs.
