david75 wrote: » I’m not a commited Christian though? I was born in 75 to two 16 year olds who were told by the church I couldn’t be baptised until they were married. They got married. Church still refused to baptise me. Wasn’t until we’d moved away to a different area and communion rolled around at 7, and I *had* to be baptised as I had no baptismal cert that I was. So I was being punished by the church as were my parents for them having me out of wedlock. If they’d only had access to contraceptives none of this would have happened. But Ireland is still that place. A redundant church trying to control people’s lives. What good can come from that? None to my mind. They’re destroying their institution with their own stupidity and hubris.
splinter65 wrote: » If the church was punishing you for your parents not being married, then can you tell us what form this punishment took? How were you disadvantaged by this punishment for example?
david75 wrote: » I don’t know you tell me? Being excluded from gods shining light and mercy? By his agents on earth? Doesn’t seem like something the god we believe in would do. Yet his self appointed mouthpieces are allowed to? What are the benefits of Christianity when you’re 7 and poor and living in a totally deprived area? Or anywhere?
J C wrote: Thanks Bob ... they demand actual photos ... and when you show them ... they don't believe their own eyes !!!
pilly wrote: » But they're not photos are they? The level of craziness just gets worse and worse.
railer201 wrote: » It means that if you bet 10€ on removal of the 8th you will get €3 back plus the ten if the people win the vote to remove the 8th. If you bet 5€ for the 8th to remain, you will get €11 back plus the five if the people win the vote for it to remain unchanged. Therefore the first scenario is the more likely.
J C wrote: The Getty image is a photo ... my two images are CGI ... but the point is that they are all accurate representations, for all practical purposes, of what a living 12 week old unborn child looks like.
J C wrote: You look like another candidate for some schooling from Leo ... please repeat after Leo "a 12 week old fetus is a 12 week old baby".
splinter65 wrote: » It’s a bit odd the bit about your parents being told that they couldn’t have you baptized unless they were married because not only is that not a condition of getting a baby baptized, but it wasn’t (nor isn’t) necessary for parents to actually physically bring the child for baptism themselves. And at the time it would have been very common for a granny or an aunt or sister to bring the baby while the mother was “lying in”. Do you think at all that the fact that your parents were only children when they had you and quite clearly from what you say weren't in a position to look after you without having a huge struggle affected your childhood very negatively ? How would being baptized have made the situation any different for example?
pilly wrote: » No it is NOT a photo. I think it's you sir that needs some schooling. Unless you can explain how someone got a camera into the womb. I don't believe anyone is that stupid so I'll just call it what it is. LIES.
david75 wrote: » I Just don’t think anyone’s hands mouths penises or opinions have any place in anyone else’s bodies or minds. That’s where I come from.
J C wrote: » Presumably, you'd be OK with it when its consensual.
Katie Full Leak wrote: Try here for a start to your re-education
david75 wrote: » It was obviously because they were so young. It was a source of pretty much endless shame for them and both families from within their communities. Don’t pretend you dont know how we were as a communities and how gossip worked.l to blacken people’s names and reputations. I got personal abuse from family members in both sides ‘for what I did’ and eff to Ely from the church and it really had a bad effect. I didn’t do anything. I was just born. Isn’t that a big thing within this faith? Why get punished and ostracised for it, both me and my parents and family? Somewhere around 9 I joined the altar boys to make up for it after we had moved and of course ended up being sexually abused by a brother who was in charge of the altar boys. (Who is still alive and still being moved parish to parish globally it seems) I wasn’t the only one either. Being made to drink whiskey and coke and then have a man you and your family came to trust, do that to you at 9 years old does kinda stay with you. There’s some mental imagery and abhorrent memories you can’t scrape off that are burned into your head and your entire being. That’s a different thing though. I’m in no way anti Christian. But I wouldn’t be a big fan of this church and it’s efforts to hide this stuff. Just don’t think anyone’s hands mouths penises or opinions have any place in anyone else’s bodies or minds. That’s where I come from.
wrote: Originally Posted by david75 I Just don’t think anyone’s hands mouths penises or opinions have any place in anyone else’s bodies or minds.Originally Posted by J C Presumably, you'd be OK with it when its consensual.david75 Ehhhhh. What???
railer201 wrote: » Jeepers - what a Christian post by you, I doubt I could be that charitable - maybe someone with pastoral experience here can offer you some helpful advice. All I can say is there are plenty of choices of churches out there if you're interested in hooking up with one. I'm a classic church non-attendee but don't consider myself less of a Christian because of it. If you want to be one, just be one - that's it.
splinter65 wrote: Have you no picture of a 12 week/blob/bunch of cells/parasite either pilly. It’s amazing what pops up when you Google 12 weeks gestation and Page after page appears but no pro abortion advocates can ever ever find anything that fits their narrative, so they have to pretend that there ARE no pictures... then they say that pro life people are brainwashed...
J C wrote: » I was referring to the fact that consensual sex does precisely what you are referring to.Originally Posted by david75 I Just don’t think anyone’s hands mouths penises or opinions have any place in anyone else’s bodies or minds. That’s where I come from. ... and the Boards.ie invades people's minds with all kinds of new (and not-so-new) ideas that other people offer. ... and everyone is usually all the better for this.
david75 wrote: » weird I’ve never told any of my family that. Talking to strangers is easier it seems.
pilly wrote: » What is wrong with You? Seriously. Reported.
david75 wrote: » I was definitely and actively moderating my language and descriptions given you can’t even say fart in this thread without getting an infraction as it’s seen as rude offensive language. I wouldn’t be now or maybe ever into taking up with any church.Just be cool to people and help them when you can and don’t be a prick works best no dogma no judgement. *my karma ran Over your dogma was a great sig I saw earlier. It’s funny but yeah.
david75 wrote: » And yet your beliefs Re invading women’s bodies personal lives and choices. That’s hypocritical Completely hypocritical
splinter65 wrote: » That’s ****ing disgusting Dav. I’m really sorry that happened you or anyone. Your anger is completely justified and I’m angry as **** for you.
pilly wrote: » Again, tell me how someone gets a camera into the womb? I personally don't care what it looks like. What I do have issue with are LIES.
