Do people's parents still get thick about eating meat on Ash Wed/Good Friday?

splinter65 wrote: »

Yes they do but they jump through exhausting mental hoops to convince themselves that that it all just happened through some wondrous series of extraordinary coincidences.

Jumping through hoops?! A man in the sky made it all in 7 days is a bit simplistic for me.

Answer this for me please without deflecting, why did God create some people gay if he doesn't want a man to lie with another man? Just that question.

Omackeral wrote: »

Jumping through hoops?! A man in the sky made it all in 7 days is a bit simplistic for me.

Answer this for me please without deflecting, why did God create some people gay if he doesn't want a man to lie with another man? Just that question.

I have no idea. Why are Catholics supposed to know why God did anything? Can you answer that?

housetypeb

splinter65 wrote: »

Why are Catholics supposed to know why God did anything? Can you answer that?

"And He saw that it was good...". It's on page one of his autobiography.

housetypeb wrote: »

"And He saw that it was good...". It's on page one of his autobiography.

Yes I suppose that’s a good enough reason and one I use all the time to explain my own more outlandish actions.
BTW it’s biography not autobiography.
Gods brilliant but he didn’t right the Bible himself dear.

housetypeb

"The devil made me do it-but I would have done it anyway" is the one I use to explain my outlandish actions.

housetypeb wrote: »

"The devil made me do it-but I would have done it anyway" is the one I use to explain my outlandish actions.

That’s good too.
“It wasn’t me” is the best though.

splinter65 wrote: »

I have no idea.

housetypeb

splinter65 wrote: »

Yes I suppose that’s a good enough reason and one I use all the time to explain my own more outlandish actions.
BTW it’s biography not autobiography.
Gods brilliant but he didn’t right the Bible himself dear.

Thanks for pointing out my mistake,dear.Very sporting of you.
Mea maxima culpa.

housetypeb wrote: »

Thanks for pointing out my mistake,dear.Very sporting of you.
Mea maxima culpa.

I’m perfect but my spelling is not.
Mea maxima maxima culpa.

demanufactured

whisky_galore wrote: »

Well?

I wouldn't know, I'm an adult, and my parents weren't freaks when I was younger.

splinter65 wrote: »

If I think it’s the one true faith then it’s the one true faith for me. I’m not telling you that you have to believe what I believe.
You seem to be permanently upset that so many other humans do have a faith or belief. Why is that? Do you ever ask yourself why you don’t just get on with your own life and let other people get on with theirs?
If I have no argument with any other faith then what is the problem exactly? You are saying that 1 billion+ people are all wrong and you are right.
You can believe that if you wish. No one is arguing with you. You can’t force an entire species to go against human nature and deny the wonder of the world and the universe. For some strange reason the vast majority of our species believe that there is some higher power then ourselves. If your goal is to somehow over ride that by using flippant mildly insulting but ultimately harmless comments then I wish you luck.
Now your going to tell me how oppressed you are by the suffocating presence of RCC in our schools and hospitals but if I ask you how your education or health has been compromised by this then it all gets a little bit vague.
You need to get on with living chrongen, travel a bit and most of all live and let live without acting on the persistent need you seem to have to point st others and tell them how wrong you think they are.
It could get you into a lot of **** in a country less tolerant than here.

You're getting very indignant and bent out of shape and are accusing me of things I haven't said or done.
You've chosen to believe in something that has no basis in fact, reality or truth. If you want to waste your life doing that then it's your prerogative. There are many who have gone to the grave vehemently denying things that were clearly scientifically factual e.g. climate change, plate tectonics, evolution. I feel sorry for them but that's their problem, not mine.
I understand that you think there is a higher power. What irks me a little is that you haven't stood on your own 2 feet and tried to determine what it is/was. You've merely accepted what you were told it was. You're not even a critically thinking theist.

You say that your beliefs are the only true beliefs yet there is absolutely zero evidence to corroborate them anymore than there is evidence to corroborate the existence of fairies or ghosts or unicorns. Rather arrogant.

And for what it's worth I have travelled extensively, all over Europe, the Americas and Africa.

You think that people who believe in voodoo or the spirit horse are savage nutcases yet you cling to beliefs like turning water into wine which is scientifically impossible.

I have 2 university degrees from Trinity College. Religion didn't play one iota in my education so don't try and claim credit for my academic achievements.
My secondary school was a Christian Brothers school where there was maybe 2 brothers on the staff. There was a prayer mumbled in the morning and one at the end of the day depending on the teacher. And religion class was basically a 40 minute chit-chat twice a week about civics and current affairs. Sex education was a science issue with one brother weighing in saying that **** was a sin. The doddery old fool probably spanked his monkey raw on an hourly basis.

Chrongen wrote: »

You're getting very indignant and bent out of shape and are accusing me of things I haven't said or done.
You've chosen to believe in something that has no basis in fact, reality or truth. If you want to waste your life doing that then it's your prerogative. There are many who have gone to the grave vehemently denying things that were clearly scientifically factual e.g. climate change, plate tectonics, evolution. I feel sorry for them but that's their problem, not mine.
I understand that you think there is a higher power. What irks me a little is that you haven't stood on your own 2 feet and tried to determine what it is/was. You've merely accepted what you were told it was. You're not even a critically thinking theist.

You say that your beliefs are the only true beliefs yet there is absolutely zero evidence to corroborate them anymore than there is evidence to corroborate the existence of fairies or ghosts or unicorns. Rather arrogant.

And for what it's worth I have travelled extensively, all over Europe, the Americas and Africa.

You think that people who believe in voodoo or the spirit horse are savage nutcases yet you cling to beliefs like turning water into wine which is scientifically impossible.

I have 2 university degrees from Trinity College. Religion didn't play one iota in my education so don't try and claim credit for my academic achievements.
My secondary school was a Christian Brothers school where there was maybe 2 brothers on the staff. There was a prayer mumbled in the morning and one at the end of the day depending on the teacher. And religion class was basically a 40 minute chit-chat twice a week about civics and current affairs. Sex education was a science issue with one brother weighing in saying that **** was a sin. The doddery old fool probably spanked his monkey raw on an hourly basis.

....mmmm I don’t think I’m the one who’s getting “bent out of shape”.
You’ve all these achievements under your belt yet here you are trying to argue pointlessly with people like me who have no argument with you.
Once again, what makes you so infuriated with people of faith?
What brings you here over and over again to make the same attempts over and over to get your point across ( seems to be “Catholics are idiots. Try to be more like me”), and what is your objective?
Do you do this in your real life or only here?

Omackeral wrote: »

Jumping through hoops?! A man in the sky made it all in 7 days is a bit simplistic for me.

Answer this for me please without deflecting, why did God create some people gay if he doesn't want a man to lie with another man? Just that question.

I'm a little confused as to where Cain and Abel got their wives.

splinter65 wrote: »

....mmmm I don’t think I’m the one who’s getting “bent out of shape”.
You’ve all these achievements under your belt yet here you are trying to argue pointlessly with people like me who have no argument with you.
Once again, what makes you so infuriated with people of faith?
What brings you here over and over again to make the same attempts over and over to get your point across ( seems to be “Catholics are idiots. Try to be more like me”), and what is your objective?
Do you do this in your real life or only here?

But I'm not infuriated in the slightest. You're the only one who is saying that.
It seems to be a little game you play. You earlier stated that you get a kick out of people questioning the "only true faith". You even went so far as to state that it was one of the "great things about being a Catholic"

Someone with that kind of outlook and viewpoint is, to me, slightly immature. If someone continued to insist that iron could be turned into gold ala Alchemy and a few more logical people came along and told that person that they were completely deluded and that person trotted off chuckling, kind of like yourself, stating that they get a kick out of people questioning their beliefs then I would think that person is even more low-dimensnional than their erstwhile misguided beliefs.

splinter65 wrote: »

If I think it’s the one true faith then it’s the one true faith for me. I’m not telling you that you have to believe what I believe.
You seem to be permanently upset that so many other humans do have a faith or belief. Why is that? Do you ever ask yourself why you don’t just get on with your own life and let other people get on with theirs?
If I have no argument with any other faith then what is the problem exactly? You are saying that 1 billion+ people are all wrong and you are right.
You can believe that if you wish. No one is arguing with you. You can’t force an entire species to go against human nature and deny the wonder of the world and the universe. For some strange reason the vast majority of our species believe that there is some higher power then ourselves. If your goal is to somehow over ride that by using flippant mildly insulting but ultimately harmless comments then I wish you luck.
Now your going to tell me how oppressed you are by the suffocating presence of RCC in our schools and hospitals but if I ask you how your education or health has been compromised by this then it all gets a little bit vague.
You need to get on with living chrongen, travel a bit and most of all live and let live without acting on the persistent need you seem to have to point st others and tell them how wrong you think they are.
It could get you into a lot of **** in a country less tolerant than here.

It doesn't get in the slightest bit vague, buddy. If it wasn't for your gang of zealots then Savita Halappanavar would still be alive.

Nothing vague at all about that.

Chrongen wrote: »

I'm a little confused as to where Cain and Abel got their wives.

They weren't the only children. There was also a son called Seth if I recall. The story says there were multiple offspring but them two boys were the ones that got the headlines cos of all the murder etc. Still means they rode their sisters though the dirty innocent rat poison bastards.

Don't forget the magic trick of their Ma coming from their Da's spare rib. If all else failed, just go for that gimmick again sure.

Chrongen wrote: »

It doesn't get in the slightest bit vague, buddy. If it wasn't for your gang of zealots then Savita Halappanavar would still be alive.

Nothing vague at all about that.

Your’re sitting there frothing at the mouth (bud first now buddy?) instead of just leaving your device and doing something of benefit to yourself or God forbid someone else you decide to use a dead woman as a weapon.
Really, buddy ?

splinter65 wrote: »

Your’re sitting there frothing at the mouth (bud first now buddy?) instead of just leaving your device and doing something of benefit to yourself or God forbid someone else you decide to use a dead woman as a weapon.
Really, buddy ?

I'm not frothing at the mouth at all and I'm not using a dead woman as a weapon. All you seem to be able to do is try to paint as unhinged those who are giving you a reasoned argument and one that you don't like or can't counter. When all else fails try ad hominems.

You asked how your religion has had any adverse effect upon me due to it's integration into the education and health service as if the presence of your zealotry is benign and completely altruistic and I point out that were it not for you people Savita Halappanavar would still be alive.

You don't like that answer or that fact so you cynically and cowardly try to accuse me of using a "dead woman as a weapon". A pretty piss-poor effort on your part.

feargale

whisky_galore wrote: »

Well?

Thread title is a bit vague. Could you tell us in what way your parents or other parents are thick about Ash Wednesday?

Chrongen wrote: »

I'm not frothing at the mouth at all and I'm not using a dead woman as a weapon. All you seem to be able to do is try to paint as unhinged those who are giving you a reasoned argument and one that you don't like or can't counter. When all else fails try ad hominems.

You asked how your religion has had any adverse effect upon me due to it's integration into the education and health service as if the presence of your zealotry is benign and completely altruistic and I point out that were it not for you people Savita Halappanavar would still be alive.

You don't like that answer or that fact so you cynically and cowardly try to accuse me of using a "dead woman as a weapon". A pretty piss-poor effort on your part.

Mrs Halappanavar died from neglect and mismanagement by medics in a modern Irish hospital.
Mrs Halappanavar is dead because it took a junior doctor to report the unmistakeable smell of decay that accompanies a sepsis because the nurses couldn’t be arsed.
Even the hardiest pro abortion advocates don’t “use” Mrs Halappanaver any more in their arguments as it’s in such poor poor taste but there are no depths you won’t plumb in your desire to be right.
On a chat room.
An anonymous chat room.
You need to be very proud.

splinter65 wrote: »

Mrs Halappanavar died from neglect and mismanagement by medics in a modern Irish hospital.
Mrs Halappanavar is dead because it took a junior doctor to report the unmistakeable smell of decay that accompanies a sepsis because the nurses couldn’t be arsed.
Even the hardiest pro abortion advocates don’t “use” Mrs Halappanaver any more in their arguments as it’s in such poor poor taste but there are no depths you won’t plumb in your desire to be right.
On a chat room.
An anonymous chat room.
You need to be very proud.

Mrs Halappanavar died of sepsis, NOT because of negligence or because the nurses "couldn't be arsed"
She died because she was miscarrying and was denied a medical termination. The denial, thanks to your ilk, caused fatal infections and days of agony in her dilated state despite her and her husband's pleas to terminate the disastrous and ultimately fatal pregnancy.

It was known that the foetus couldn't be saved but as long as this soon to be dead foetus had a heartbeat even though she was leaking amniotic fluid and becoming more and more infected a termination was denied because "This is a Catholic country".

Of all the things you like sniggering about regarding your faith and how it pleases you that it irks people, the Saviita episode must indeed make you very proud.

These are the facts and they are undeniable. Water can't be turned into wine either. That's another fact. But since you're such an expert on a female reproductive system then perhaps you could explain how a woman could get pregnant by being visited by an angel.

If you wish to cling onto these beliefs for some kind of personal loyalty or fear of being alone in the universe or just to comfort yourself then go ahead, but please get your clownish and harmful superstitions out of places where they can cause real people real harm.

Chrongen wrote: »

You're getting very indignant and bent out of shape and are accusing me of things I haven't said or done.
You've chosen to believe in something that has no basis in fact, reality or truth. If you want to waste your life doing that then it's your prerogative. There are many who have gone to the grave vehemently denying things that were clearly scientifically factual e.g. climate change, plate tectonics, evolution. I feel sorry for them but that's their problem, not mine.
I understand that you think there is a higher power. What irks me a little is that you haven't stood on your own 2 feet and tried to determine what it is/was. You've merely accepted what you were told it was. You're not even a critically thinking theist.

You say that your beliefs are the only true beliefs yet there is absolutely zero evidence to corroborate them anymore than there is evidence to corroborate the existence of fairies or ghosts or unicorns. Rather arrogant.

And for what it's worth I have travelled extensively, all over Europe, the Americas and Africa.

You think that people who believe in voodoo or the spirit horse are savage nutcases yet you cling to beliefs like turning water into wine which is scientifically impossible.

I have 2 university degrees from Trinity College. Religion didn't play one iota in my education so don't try and claim credit for my academic achievements.
My secondary school was a Christian Brothers school where there was maybe 2 brothers on the staff. There was a prayer mumbled in the morning and one at the end of the day depending on the teacher. And religion class was basically a 40 minute chit-chat twice a week about civics and current affairs. Sex education was a science issue with one brother weighing in saying that **** was a sin. The doddery old fool probably spanked his monkey raw on an hourly basis.

Given the zealous nature and overwhelming narcissism present in that post...you are in absolutely no position to be calling anyone arrogant

Tell us more about your travels, trinity degrees and factual evidence to refute all religious claims please

pone2012 wrote: »

Given the zealous nature and overwhelming narcissism present in that post...you are in absolutely no position to be calling anyone arrogant

Tell us more about your travels, trinity degrees and factual evidence to refute all religious claims please

"Us"?

Where I have been and in which disciplines I am an expert is immaterial to this conversation. Why would you ask?

And indeed with answers how would they further this discussion?

Why are you even asking the questions that you have asked?

PS, I've decided to come back and add something. You asked me to refute all religious claims.
Fair enough,

Name the first, I have eternity (pardon the pun) I have a while.

Chrongen wrote: »

"Us"?

Where I have been and in which disciplines I am an expert is immaterial to this conversation. Why would you ask?

And indeed with answers how would they further this discussion?

Why are you even asking the questions that you have asked?

Us as in the public forum you decided to spout that long winded paragraph on

Expert? I do wonder.... Considering you cannot remember that it was you who brought up where you studied not l

I am enquiring as to why you bothered...other then what appears as a self ego stroke

Further the discussion? This was about eating meat on ash Wednesday...you are the one who decided to attempt to ridicule a person's belief... so if you want to "further the discussion" maybe we should start by keeping with the tone and context of the thread... which seemed light-hearted (as after hours is all too known for)

The question I'm actually asking you ( seeing as you couldn't infer it from the previous message) is do you realize how hypocritical it is to call a person arrogant in a post littered with arrogance and narcissism?

Omackeral wrote: »

Jumping through hoops?! A man in the sky made it all in 7 days is a bit simplistic for me.

Answer this for me please without deflecting, why did God create some people gay if he doesn't want a man to lie with another man? Just that question.

I'll answer it for you... To the best of my knowledge nobody is "created gay" and the evidence would suggest it's a very complicated interplay between nature and nurture, or in other words genetics and environment (pre and post natal).

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2155810-what-do-the-new-gay-genes-tell-us-about-sexual-orientation/

This might help... but based on your line of argumentation. It would be equally as valid to say people cause people to be gay ( given the fact that we shape the post natal environment)

Now I don't agree that you could actually separate either or the vast subsets of variables that exist in both independently...but it is you who asked why and tried to single out genetics

Chrongen wrote: »

Someone with that kind of outlook and viewpoint is, to me, slightly immature. If someone continued to insist that iron could be turned into gold ala Alchemy and a few more logical people came along and told that person that they were completely deluded and that person trotted off chuckling, kind of like yourself, stating that they get a kick out of people questioning their beliefs then I would think that person is even more low-dimensnional than their erstwhile misguided beliefs.

Is this professor of both chemistry and history of science deluded, or illogical?

He seems to be doing ok in terms of figuring out that alchemy is far from nonsense... and there's more to it than we know

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2018/01/30/this-chemist-is-unlocking-the-secrets-of-alchemy/?sw_bypass=true&utm_term=.78ddd3133bc2

Do tell.....expert

pone2012 wrote: »

Is this professor of both chemistry and history of science deluded, or illogical?

He seems to be doing ok in terms of figuring out that alchemy is far from nonsense... and there's more to it than we know

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2018/01/30/this-chemist-is-unlocking-the-secrets-of-alchemy/?sw_bypass=true&utm_term=.78ddd3133bc2

Do tell.....expert

Do you mind if I refer both you AND the thundering charlatan in that article to a cadre of people who are skilled in recognising mental disorders?

"Gold vapour"?

Are you still thanking this, splinter?

This conversation is over. I have attracted lunatics.

Chrongen wrote: »

Do you mind if I refer both you AND the thundering charlatan in that article to a cadre of people who are skilled in recognising mental disorders?

"Gold vapour"?

Are you still thanking this, splinter?

This conversation is over. I have attracted lunatics.

Yes, do run along now.

Dont answer the question about your hypocrisy or attempt to argue with an actual professors work.

Perhaps they don't teach how to argue correctly at Trinity?

Please continue on ignorantly and arrogantly as you present yourself in discussion

Until the next time.....Expert

pone2012 wrote: »

I'll answer it for you... To the best of my knowledge nobody is "created gay" and the evidence would suggest it's a very complicated interplay between nature and nurture, or in other words genetics and environment (pre and post natal).

You're actually tout the phrase ''the evidence would suggest'' in a thread relating to God and creationism etc? Brilliant.