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like in the UK and USA where they were burning unborn babies to heat hospitals and thought nothing of it.
2wsxcde3 wrote: I was just repeating what some women do. It wasn't meant to be nasty towards women who've had a miscarriage and never thought of it that way. Though I can see what i've done now.
Andrew Beef wrote: » The rape piece is a bit of a red herring though, isn’t it? How many women are vaginally raped every year in Ireland? Not many I would venture; the CSO indicates that circa 2,500 sexual offences occur each year. When you remove the attacks on men, the number’s probably closer to 2,000. What’s a woman’s fertility window, perhaps four days per month? So statistically, only circa 14% of rape victims are fertile at the time of the rape. That’s 280 women. I’d be shocked if female rape victims don’t take the morning after pill which is 95% effective. So circa 14 rape victims will give birth each year; why does this number of cases dominate the debate to such a degree?
Andrew Beef wrote: How many women are vaginally raped every year in Ireland? Not many I would venture; the CSO indicates that circa 2,500 sexual offences occur each year. When you remove the attacks on men, the number’s probably closer to 2,000. What’s a woman’s fertility window, perhaps four days per month? So statistically, only circa 14% of rape victims are fertile at the time of the rape. That’s 280 women. I’d be shocked if female rape victims don’t take the morning after pill which is 95% effective. So circa 14 rape victims will give birth each year; why does this number of cases dominate the debate to such a degree?
Andrew Beef wrote: » The Rape Committee solutions stands; my only ancillary observation is that looking at the maths of it, only circa 14 babies are born as a result of rape each year so that’s the scale of the issue. On that basis, there’s no way that 14 cases should be the trojan horse for abortion on demand. One of the most shocking stats is that 1 in 5 pregnancies in the UK ends in abortion; do we really want a society like that where abortion is a method of contraception?
WhiteRoses wrote: » Andrew Beef wrote: » The Rape Committee solutions stands; my only ancillary observation is that looking at the maths of it, only circa 14 babies are born as a result of rape each year so that’s the scale of the issue. On that basis, there’s no way that 14 cases should be the trojan horse for abortion on demand. One of the most shocking stats is that 1 in 5 pregnancies in the UK ends in abortion; do we really want a society like that where abortion is a method of contraception? Your rape committee is up there as one of the worst ideas to manage abortion I’ve heard to date. Absolutely appalling idea, it doesn’t have the best interests of women at heart at all and would do nothing but add further distress and suffering at an already extremely vulnerable time.
Andrew Beef wrote: » It’s designed to protect the unborn child and deal with the time-lag between conception in a rape scenario and the actual rape trial.
WhiteRoses wrote: » Andrew Beef wrote: » It’s designed to protect the unborn child and deal with the time-lag between conception in a rape scenario and the actual rape trial. And add further stress and suffering to the already traumatized woman carrying that unborn child. Or.... here’s a mad idea... We could take all women at their word, not make them prove themselves to a panel of strangers and trust them to make the best decision for themselves by offering unrestricted abortion up to 12 weeks??????
January wrote: » I'm not demeaning anyones experience. She could not have identified an embryo on a pad at that stage of gestation. As Neyite said its the size of a sesame seed. This person was obviously devastated by what happened to her but there's no way she knew what she was burying was an embryo but if it brought her some peace to think that she was burying her miscarried baby then she should be left to do what she felt she needed to do.
Andrew Beef wrote: » No we shouldn’t, because the life of the unborn takes precedence over the whim of a woman, unless there is a medical issue or she has been raped. Rape cannot be proven within the relevant timescale, hence my Rape Committee solution.
drkpower wrote: » January wrote: » I'm not demeaning anyones experience. She could not have identified an embryo on a pad at that stage of gestation. As Neyite said its the size of a sesame seed. This person was obviously devastated by what happened to her but there's no way she knew what she was burying was an embryo but if it brought her some peace to think that she was burying her miscarried baby then she should be left to do what she felt she needed to do. She may have had an early pregnancy scan, so wouldn't have needed to have identified anything visually. The story posted came from a thread about pregnancy loss in IVF when people know - very very early - when they are pregnant, and - surprise surprise - can be devastated with such losses. You don't need to see humanoid features to suffer such loss. You have rightly decried people for judging you and your choices. You shouldn't be so quick to judge the experiences of others.
Andrew Beef wrote: » There’s a saying that hard cases make bad law; never has that been truer than in relation to abortion. The outliers (e.g. rape and incest) cannot dominate the agenda. And there will be stories (like that woman burying the foetus in her garden) that will melt hearts and make us throw logic out the window.
JDD wrote: » I call troll. Or, a pro-choice poster taking just enough of an offensive pro-life view so as to swing undecideds lurking on the thread. I don’t agree with your tactics mate.
bubblypop wrote: » Andrew Beef wrote: » The Rape Committee solutions stands; my only ancillary observation is that looking at the maths of it, only circa 14 babies are born as a result of rape each year so that’s the scale of the issue. On that basis, there’s no way that 14 cases should be the trojan horse for abortion on demand. One of the most shocking stats is that 1 in 5 pregnancies in the UK ends in abortion; do we really want a society like that where abortion is a method of contraception? Your rape committe idea of putting women on trial so they could get an abortion is disgusting. You still haven't answered the question why a pregnancy from rape has less of a right to life than any other pregnancy? And where does it say that abortion in England is used as contraception? Any idea how many Irish pregnancies end in abortion? You do know what contraception is right? By definition, abortion cannot be a contraceptive.
Andrew Beef wrote: » bubblypop wrote: » Andrew Beef wrote: » The Rape Committee solutions stands; my only ancillary observation is that looking at the maths of it, only circa 14 babies are born as a result of rape each year so that’s the scale of the issue. On that basis, there’s no way that 14 cases should be the trojan horse for abortion on demand. One of the most shocking stats is that 1 in 5 pregnancies in the UK ends in abortion; do we really want a society like that where abortion is a method of contraception? Your rape committe idea of putting women on trial so they could get an abortion is disgusting. You still haven't answered the question why a pregnancy from rape has less of a right to life than any other pregnancy? And where does it say that abortion in England is used as contraception? Any idea how many Irish pregnancies end in abortion? You do know what contraception is right? By definition, abortion cannot be a contraceptive. 20% of pregnancies in the UK end in abortion; are they all rape and incest cases?! That’s abortion as a form of contraception.
Andrew Beef wrote: » 20% of pregnancies in the UK end in abortion; are they all rape and incest cases?! That’s abortion as a form of contraception.
Andrew Beef wrote: » That’s semantics; it can be used as a form of retrospective contraception.
Andrew Beef wrote: » One of the most shocking stats is that 1 in 5 pregnancies in the UK ends in abortion; do we really want a society like that where abortion is a method of contraception?
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