chalkitdown1 wrote: » Andrew Beef wrote: » Nothing, but the woman has not chosen to be impregnated so the analysis changes. And if a couple's contraception fails? She hasnt chosen to be impregnated there either, right?
Andrew Beef wrote: » Nothing, but the woman has not chosen to be impregnated so the analysis changes.
Andrew Beef wrote: » Tough; no abortion.
January wrote: » Except women are already having abortions in this very country just illegally. You support unsafe abortion in that case.
Captain Obvious wrote: » January wrote: » Except women are already having abortions in this very country just illegally. You support unsafe abortion in that case. It's not a very strong argument that we should allow something simply because it is being done illegally by some people.
AnneFrank wrote: » It's an emotive subject, but just look at the mud slinging in this thread,it's turning into a mob rule again like the gay marriage vote,silencing debate which is never good.Be informed and vote with your conscience, after a lot of thought it has to be no for me
Captain Obvious wrote: » It's not a very strong argument that we should allow something simply because it is being done illegally by some people.
NuMarvel wrote: » It is if the people who object to the illegal act being made legal have no interest in actually enforcing the current law. I've lost count of the number of times anti-repealers have said they don't want to criminalise women who have abortions, and yet that's exactly what our abortion law does and has always done. If the self appointed defenders of the unborn can't find it in themselves to support the current laws, why should anyone else?
AnneFrank wrote: » Be informed and vote with your conscience, after a lot of thought it has to be no for me
Captain Obvious wrote: » I'm not sure I'm getting your point. You think people against abortion aren't really serious unless they want to make the person who has one a criminal?
NuMarvel wrote: » I'm saying what's the point in having a law that nobody, be they repeal or anti-repeal, pro life or pro choice, wants to enforce.
_Dara_ wrote: » I heard all sides of the debate in the lead up to the marriage equality referendum, both here and on current affairs shows and in newspapers. Where was this silencing occurring?
Captain Obvious wrote: » There is none. But making a woman a criminal simply for obtaining an abortion is not the only way to enforce the general rule. You can instead punish those who provide them.
2wsxcde3 wrote: » A baby that is aborted as a result of an abortion pill has hands, legs, a head and a beating heart. Where does the woman put this little baby after the abortion has taken place in her home?
AnneFrank wrote: » I felt a lot of older people who had differing views were labelled homophobes,and then just stopped talking out of fear of it, I've seen parallels with this debate too and it's a far from black or white answer
volchitsa wrote: » What do you think happens most miscarriages at the same stage? Most of them go down the toilet. Is it okay when it's a miscarriage but not when it's an abortion?
2wsxcde3 wrote: » Alot of people bury the miscarried baby in their family plot and give them a name which is placed on the headstone.
WhiteRoses wrote: » Pre 12 weeks the same would happen as what would happen if a woman miscarried at home, it would go down the toilet unless she wanted to save the clots (not sure how she’d be able to do that, but let’s say she wanted to) which of course she could bury if she so wished. I have certainly never heard of a funeral or a burial plot for a pregnancy lost pre 12 weeks.
RobertKK wrote: » Doing something illegal, doesn't this come under as being a choice?
2wsxcde3 wrote: » The baby is buried in the family plot, often without being registered. And its not a "clot". I came across this story online:Although the clinic was wonderful, they didn't warn me about the next part. As the tissue had landed on a towel, I thought the best thing to do would be to tip it down the loo. However, as I lifted the towel up, the 'clot' rolled slightly and there was a perfectly formed yet tiny baby lying there. It was almost as long as my thumb, and was perfect. I was told that up until nine weeks, I would not see anything except maybe a 'grey gestational sac'. This was a complete baby. I could see eyes, feet, arms, and the worst - or most vivid part - was that I could clearly count its fingers. It has perfect little hands. I wrapped it in tissue, cleaned myself up and called my partner, crying lots by now. I told him what I'd seen, and I don't think he believed me, because he looked for himself. Then he broke down with me. The bleeding has slowed down now, the clots I'm passing are a lot smaller but I feel drained. I'm weak and dizzy when I try to stand and the cramps are still pretty painful. We cried ourselves to sleep last night. I'm still numb. While we made our decision for the right reasons, I wish I'd been told what to expect by someone who has been through it. I could never go through something like this again. We both feel guilty. He's scared that this will come between us. I'm scared that he will hate me. And after all this, I have a tiny baby wrapped in tissue and I don't know what to do with it. After all this, there's no way I can flush it down the loo. Keeping it feels strange. So what am I supposed to do with it?(Source: https://www.pregnancychoicesdirectory.com/peoplesstories/abortion/591/well-its-done-yesterday-i-had-a-medical-abortion- ) Another woman lied to about abortion. Are you saying she should flush the little baby down the toilet?
