Jamie2k9 wrote: » All members in the 3 companies are in their own bubbles, they always get upset by the media coverage of action as well and how its all lies while most also have a major problem with FG and the NTA!
Hilly Bill wrote: » There you go with that big paint brush again
cuckmeister wrote: » I completely agree. Industrial relations in the transport industry are just horsecrap. Whether it's Irish Rail, Dublin Bus or the Luas, it's all the same — angry workers want an unrealistic pay increase, CIÉ ignores them, strike occurs, go back to step one.
cuckmeister wrote: » I don't believe that the CIÉ should even bother meeting the demands of transport unions as opposed to spending such money on improving aspects of Irish transport (e.g speed and greater capacity for people). However, the CIÉ definitely needs to take a more proactive approach in dealing with this debacle. What should this “proactive approach” be? Honestly, your guess is as good as mine. All I know is that there could be more done than is currently being done.
Jamie2k9 wrote: » I accept a bad choice of words but a considerable amount have such a view or those in Connolly could just be a more positive bunch
CarlosHarpic wrote: » As much as I love the DART underground idea. No way can tax payers money be fed into such an important project with this twisted union culture holding power over it. Metro all the way.
hmmm wrote: » There should be no strikes in protected public sector companies - it's easy to pull out the strike card every time you don't like something, because there is no consequences for the striker. If you want a public sector monopoly, no strikes. If there is a private sector alternative, strike away. The public can then side with whoever they want. CIE operate mostly as a monopoly - they should have no strike clauses in their contracts.
Billgirlylegs wrote: » Do we have that many strikes? What information did the OP find, and did they list the offending disputes. Off the top of my head (regular Dublin Bus commuter) I can't think of too many recent strikes/disputes disrupting service.
LeinsterDub wrote: » When you have places like IÉ that didn't get a pay rise for 8 years you can see why unions would be considering striking.
goingnowhere wrote: » Agreed, there was/are at least 2 DART drivers who are not union members
end of the road wrote: » exactly. people over exaggerate the amount of strikes. yes of course a strike is inconvenient, i have been effected myself a few times. but when we really look at it, striking is quite limited. in nearly all cases it's a day and that's it, only in a couple of exceptional circumstances have there been more.
tabbey wrote: » They are paid largely out of the public funds, they should have had paycuts imposed like all other public servants between 2009 and 2012. Only if and when other public servants have their pay restored, should CIE / NTA employees be even considered for increases. The trouble is that tram drivers were allowed increases when Howlin was supposed to have been controlling public expenditure. Naturally, train and bus drivers want the same, and who could blame them. What's sauce for the goose should be sauce for the gander! Fair play all round should be the motto.
Colonel Claptrap wrote: » It's not just the odd day of strike action that's the problem. It's the whole circus act of refusing to enact change, delay and stamping feet which eventually leads to the odd day of strike action. How long is the 10 minute DART service delayed now? Im effected by that every single day.
end of the road wrote: » how are you effected by there being no 10 minute dart. i wouldn't be confident that a 10 minute dart won't effect you more, especially when something goes bang.
Colonel Claptrap wrote: » You seem resistant to change. Do you not think commuters deserve a 10 minute DART?
LeinsterDub wrote: » This is bizarre logic.
LeinsterDub wrote: » No they don't they deserve 5 minute DART's but 10 minute is a start
end of the road wrote: » i don't care about change as long as other rail users aren't negatively effected. if they are, then i will care. at peak times a 10 minute dart may be warrented but i have some reservations about outside such times.
LeinsterDub wrote: » So you're happy to negatively affect thousands for hundreds?
end of the road wrote: » it's not.
pjohnson wrote: » He is devout to the NBRU so of course he is!
end of the road wrote: » i'm not negatively effecting anyone.
LeinsterDub wrote: » You can't see how waiting up to 20 minutes on peak for a Dart would negatively affect commuters? You can't see how waiting for less time would be a positive. I mean this argument is just so bizarre I'm unable to tackle it in any realistic way.
LeinsterDub wrote: » You're negatively affecting the DART users for a hand full of IC users
end of the road wrote: » sorry but it's a first world problem. .
Stephen15 wrote: » But IE, BE and DB are all semi state bodies meaning they're staff are not public servants meaning they do follow any public sector pay deals. The cost of investment and operation is paid from the exchequer, apart from what the fare box contributes. It is exactly the same as the health service, which is part funded by private fees. CIE employees are members of strong trade unions who are willing to stand up and fight for their members pay and terms and conditions. That is a fact whether you like it or not your gonna have to accept it. So what you are saying is that the law of the jungle should prevail. Luas drivers work for Transdev a private company. They are private sector workers so why would they be part of a public sector deal?
tabbey wrote: » Transdev merely operates the service on behalf of the NTA. The service is funded entirely by the exchequer, apart from fare revenue, over which Transdev has no control.
Stephen15 wrote: » But their staff work for Transdev a private company meaning they are private sector employees. That's like saying construction workers building a public building are public sector employees and they should be on the same pay deal.
tabbey wrote: » Construction workers are not the same, they suffered layoffs during the meltdown, and many had to emigrate. Tram, train and bus drivers all retained their secure jobs and overtime.
