Eric Cartman wrote: » Jeremy Corbyn champions communism, a dangerous ideology which has killed millions, his economics are dangerous to society and would literally starve people to death.
Una Mullally hates men and is allowed to voice this through the irish times. She regularly posts hate soeech towards men on her twitter account.
Una is to men what westboro are to gay people.
ancapailldorcha wrote: » This is just cherrypicking and whataboutery to be honest. Your radical, man-hating feminists are a minority being afforded a platform because they generate clicks. There's no way that the far right would be waving swastikas around if the Nazis were Socialists.
Eric Cartman wrote: » And the westboro baptist church are only being afforded a platform because standing on street corners isnt illegal yet. The far right similtaniously believe that the holocaust didnt happen but also its the best thing ever , theyre that dumb, sure nazi is short for 'national socialist' . The nazi party most certainly was a socialist party and ran under that very platform.
CrabRevolution wrote: » By that logic North Korea is a Democratic Peoples Republic. It says it in its name doesn't it?
Eric Cartman wrote: » And im sure nationalising rail or building the government run arms factories and volkswagen were such right wing economic decisions. Identity cards , work camps and everything else from the stalinist playbook
Brian? wrote: » Did you read the link? Or are you blindly ignoring it to hold on to your point?
ancapailldorcha wrote: » An engorged army? Secret police? Hatred for anyone different? Mass surveillance? Most industries were nationalised at the time. Sure, it took Margaret Thatcher in the UK to privatise rail, water, gas, etc...
Eric Cartman wrote: » Those are all aspects of a left wing totalitarian regime like the ussr, dprk etc...
ancapailldorcha wrote: » No, those are right wing ideas. Did you even read the Snopes link or are you just going to ignore anything that disagrees with your agenda.
Eric Cartman wrote: » So the dprk and ussr with secret police, gulags and mass armys parading through town squares are now right wing.... I did, up until the point where it started casually putting in donald trump to try muddy the waters, did you read my forbes article about how snopes is not reliable and is biased ?
Brian? wrote: » Eric Cartman wrote: » And the westboro baptist church are only being afforded a platform because standing on street corners isnt illegal yet. The far right similtaniously believe that the holocaust didnt happen but also its the best thing ever , theyre that dumb, sure nazi is short for 'national socialist' . The nazi party most certainly was a socialist party and ran under that very platform. Did you even read this link?https://www.snopes.com/2017/09/05/were-nazis-socialists/
Eric Cartman wrote: » https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2016/12/22/the-daily-mail-snopes-story-and-fact-checking-the-fact-checkers/ Snopes has been debunked , they showed their true colours during the 2016 us presidential election and considering that article dives right in to trump-nazi comparissons its doubly likely to be an agenda driven one.
Mutant z wrote: » The time has come to uphold democracy and freedom of speech at Universities who are refusing platforms to opposing views. A safe space SJW environment has been created at university campuses where only those with opinions that are pro open borders, pro islam, pro EU, pro feminism, gender neutral, anti Trump, anti Brexit are permitted. Hopefully the recent announcement from the UK about fining universities for deny platforms is enforced because this pathetic SJW childish behaviour has been allowed to continue for far too long. College debating societies are supposed to be places where robust debate of all views and ideas are had not just those that comform to a certain world view, so any university not living up to democratic ideas should be fined and have all funding cut until they uphold the principles of freedom of speech and expression which is a cornerstone in any free democratic society.
Red_Wake wrote: » I read this. It outlines multiple times how Hitler ran under socialist ideals, and expanded the state. The thrust of its denial of the Nazis being socialist seems to be that the Nazi's couldn't be socialist because they discriminated against jews/other socialists [they bring this us seperately to the fact that Nazis banned all competing political parties, not just the other socialist ones]. Comes across very much as a No True Scotsman fallacy. It fails to address how the economic aspects of socialism were followed closely[nationalising industries and general expanding of the state], and seems to hope the reader would be ignorant of these facts, which given the reader is gathering their info from the snopes rather than an historians account, is probably something they can bank on. A poor article imo.
Brian? wrote: » Red_Wake wrote: » I read this. It outlines multiple times how Hitler ran under socialist ideals, and expanded the state. The thrust of its denial of the Nazis being socialist seems to be that the Nazi's couldn't be socialist because they discriminated against jews/other socialists [they bring this us seperately to the fact that Nazis banned all competing political parties, not just the other socialist ones]. Comes across very much as a No True Scotsman fallacy. It fails to address how the economic aspects of socialism were followed closely[nationalising industries and general expanding of the state], and seems to hope the reader would be ignorant of these facts, which given the reader is gathering their info from the snopes rather than an historians account, is probably something they can bank on. A poor article imo. I am fully cognizant of the facts. Unlike Eric Cartman. I wanted a nice summary of the points, which Snopes is handy for.Do you believe the Nazis were socialists? Because they certainly didn’t believe they were.
Red_Wake wrote: » They expanded the state, taking as much of the economy under its control as they could. How is this not socialism?
ancapailldorcha wrote: » I'd a quick skim through. I will when I have time but I saw no links to substantiate their claims so I'm not optimistic. Yes, engorging the security services at the expense of the populace is a right wing policy. The Soviets definitely had some left wing characteristics but they also had plenty of far right ones as well.
Brian? wrote: » Red_Wake wrote: » They expanded the state, taking as much of the economy under its control as they could. How is this not socialism? Because it was a fascist state. Expanding the state is not exclusively a left wing idea. In fact, there are libertarian socialists, right libertarians, anarchists and anarcho-capitalists. That’s the full left-right political spectrum who are anti authoritarian. You think all authoritarianism is left wing? Do you believe fascism is a left wing philosophy? If you do, you’re wrong.
Brian? wrote: » Can anyone link an example of an Irish University impinging on free speech?
Red_Wake wrote: » None from the university authorities afaik. The closest example we have is this example of a guest speaker getting abused. The individual in question is a known lunatic though, and was thrown out of the university for this, so it's hard to claim it's a representative sample.
Brian? wrote: » So nothing then? I’m seriously wondering why this thread was started. We haven’t seen any of the tomfoolery that goes on in US Universities.
