pitifulgod wrote: You'll get a fair few women of previous generations that were never happy with Catholicism dictated their lives I suspect and don't want for it to continue.
Cabaal wrote: » Sorry but for a majority of this country the rights of the women simply take priority, polls show this time and time again Majority see the women's rights in cases of rape or incest are way above a fetus. Majority see a women's wish to have an abortion in cases of FFA should be respected. We should also never ever ever have a repeat of Miss P case and that case was caused by the 8th existing. Overall the 8th must be repealed in order for the majority's views to be respected. As yourself this, if your wife, sister, cousin was pregnant from rape and she wanted the rapists fetus out of her. Are you honestly saying you would force her to go to term against her wishes and ignoring the mental health issues you will create by putting her through such a continued violation of her body against her wishes? What if she imported some abortion pills and took them (as many women do) are you going to report her to the Gardai since she broke the law?
david75 wrote: » The sad part is every single older person, who this referendum and the abortion issue doesn’t affect anymore whatsoever, will go out and vote and mostly against it yet the younger generations who it absolutely does and will affect won’t engage and vote at all. people past the age of having kids themselves having a say over the reproductive rights of young women is so unfair. They’ll be dead and gone and this and future generations will be bound to the result. We need to shake this horrible old grip of the church off. Ireland has moved on and grown up. With luck that’ll be reflected in this referendum passing.
david75 wrote: » To be honest I can see this kind of faith based preaching and threatening instigating people to vote in favour of the referendum. It’s counter productive.
Mr.H wrote: » To be honest I feel like there should be no referendum. We should just scrap the 8th without putting into the people.
end of the road wrote: one does not have the right to kill the unborn unless it is in extreme circumstances.
end of the road wrote: » there is no tangible proof the majority believe what you claim. opinion poles are only opinion and only survey a certain amount of people.if the majority actually do believe in removing the rights that the unborn have then that view must not be respected and must be ignored. one does not have the right to kill the unborn unless it is in extreme circumstances. it is perfectly right that those who disagree with abortion on demand will vote, and vote against repeal, while the threat of legislating for abortion on demand is on the table. ireland would become a hugely grown up nation by voting no to repeal while the threat of legislating for abortion on demand is on the table. abortionism must not be allowed to take hold of our country. that won't happen. normal people don't suddenly change their minds on an issue because of something they don't agree with anyway. if people are suddenly going to vote yes because of faith based preaching, in reality they were going to vote yes all along but were afraid to say so. that would be unconstitutional. modifications to the constitution require referendum.
end of the road wrote: it is perfectly right that those who disagree with abortion on demand will vote, and vote against repeal, while the threat of legislating for abortion on demand is on the table. ireland would become a hugely grown up nation by voting no to repeal while the threat of legislating for abortion on demand is on the table. abortionism must not be allowed to take hold of our country.
fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: » A woman has to consider her eternal destiny. "Do not fear him who can kill the body and then do no more. Rather fear Him who can throw both body and soul into hell"
david75 wrote: We may be surprised. Just reading that One of the largest yes voting demographics in marriage equality were the over 60s&70s. That’s a head scratcher. Didn’t know that
end of the road wrote: » there is no tangible proof the majority believe what you claim. opinion poles are only opinion and only survey a certain amount of people.
if the majority actually do believe in removing the rights that the unborn have then that view must not be respected and must be ignored. one does not have the right to kill the unborn unless it is in extreme circumstances.
ireland would become a hugely grown up nation by voting no to repeal while the threat of legislating for abortion on demand is on the table. abortionism must not be allowed to take hold of our country.
Mr.H wrote: » Also Christians voting yes can do so with the knowledge that its what their god would want. The Christian god wants people to have the power to choose. So surely while it can be looked at as a test for each individual who thinks about an abortion. It is not against any belief to vote yes. It's just against the beliefs to actually have one. God wants his children to have the freedom to choose for themselves does he not?
Mr.H wrote: » But that's the issue. Right now you can't kill the unborn even in extreme circumstances. In fact if the unborn is a still birth the mother still has to carry it until birth. This puts her in extreme risk of course. Wouldn't it be better to have the option and not need it rather than need it and not have it?
Mr.H wrote: » I think a lot of Christians will vote for abortion. Most people despite religious beliefs, understand the need for it. They may not agree with on demand abortion but they certainly understand how serious it is
Cabaal wrote: » Its more proof then you can show for wanting to keep the 8th right now Wow, Did you just state that the referendum outcome should be ignored and people's democratic vote should be ignored? Seriously? I'm sorry, we';re not some sort of religious dictatorship here. If people vote to repeal the 8th inline with polls then that view MUST be respected. So we're a grown up country by continuing to ignore women's bodily integrity? Thats like claiming if we voted against marriage equality we would be a progressive country, you are having a laugh. The very fact that you have suggested that the ref outcome should be ignored should what an utterly despicable individual you are. It appears you think you know better then everyone else and as such their democratic rights should be ignored. You disgust me.
david75 wrote: » Isn’t it just as well we aren’t having a referendum on abortion on demand. A fact you seem to be completely allergic to, end of the road.
david75 wrote: » ‘That is the right belief to hold’. Our opinions and beliefs have no place over a woman’s health and personal rights to bodily autonomy. No place whatsoever.
david75 wrote: Our opinions and beliefs have no place over a woman’s health and personal rights to bodily autonomy.
Nick Park wrote: » It appears that the Referendum will be to remove all restrictions on abortion whatsoever from the Constitution, and to give the Oireachtas the power to legislate whatever it wants concerning abortion (including abortion on demand if it chooses). I think anyone claiming that this will not result in abortion on demand sooner or later is either extremely naive or extremely devious.
Nick Park wrote: » And do our opinions and beliefs have any place over a child's health and personal right to life?
fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: » A woman's body is the temple of the Holy Spirit.
david75 wrote: » A child’s yes. A foetus is not a child.
david75 wrote: » Come to think on it no our opinions and beliefs don’t have say over a child’s health either. Nor should it. Look at the faiths that won’t allow blood transfusions for their sick? Kids have died cos their parents wouldn’t let them have organ donations etc. Moral of the story? inserting faith of any kind onto someone else’s health and well being is flat out wrong.
Nick Park wrote: » Except when your faith is in your subjective opinion that a foetus is not a child? You really can't see the hypocrisy in your statements?
david75 wrote: » I don’t know how much attention you pay to the news. There is zero political will to introduce abortion on demand. Only today leo gave the most weakest possible statement saying he will campaign for the referendum to pass but is nott himself pro choice The man is a doctor for crying out loud. He basically knows the country is divided on this and is playing politics by not nailing his colours to the mast. You can be sure If there was a clear majority indicator that we were for or against it you know he’d pick whichever one was suitable for him. He’s a coward. But nowhere not one place have I seen it reported it’s about abortion on demand It isn’t even in the table. The replacing legislation has t even begun to be written yet. So frankly you’re talking out of your behind repeatedly saying it is about that You’re the only one saying it. The entire country has t even mentioned it.
