splinter65 wrote: » Turas Nua report back to SW regarding wether or not you were co operative in the effort to find “full time” employment, and SW act on that information. If you get called into work the day of a meeting with TN I would notify them and get proof from the employer that you were there. But you will have to attend TN if you want to keep your claim open. Personally I would prefer to close my claim while your getting nearly full time hours and open it again if it slows down.
tringle wrote: » Your signed Xs and Os sheet from your employer as issued to you from social welfare IS written proof that you were working that day. My social welfare office have always advised me to keep my claim open when doing casual work, I might have one day a week or 5 days a week. You only receive a payment if you work 3 days or less but continue to sign on. Once I received a call from SW to confirm what work I was doing, a 30 second call from them. If you really think you will run into problems with TN I would in the first instance talk to the SW office rather than TN who as many have seen is run by people from a sales and retail background just interested in numbers and commission rather than a background in social protection or an interest in individuals. Also, anyone I know that has called TN to reschedule an appointment has never had an issue.
blowin3 wrote: » I called into TN to try get out of next weeks meeting. I was told if I dont turn up SW will cancel my claim. She did state she could not understand why I was referred to TN as I showed her all the hours I was working. I am on a zero hour contract hence the reason keeping my claim open as I have work this week but who knows about next week. I dont earn a whole lot more working and taking into account fuel allowance and the other fringe benefits I am properly worse off working. But I would rather be the master of my own future and not dictated to as I witnessed today happening to others in the TN office. I also said I would not be signing a contract with out my solicitor looking at it. Pain in the ass.
tringle wrote: » That's terrible... Is there no way they can reschedule. I know my daughter rescheduled a few appointments with them. I mean you are not refusing to go but just asking for another day. Is your local SW office decent in any way, they know your are working that day and declaring it, they may have some leeway. Feeling very frustrated for you, its an ironic situation... Having to give up work to look for work.
blowin3 wrote: » Thanks for the advice very kind of you. No she told me I had to turn up or sign off. I droped in my X and O docket a day late due to pressure of working 6 days and I think this is my punishment. I might go to my local TD and plead my case.
Twelve Bar Blues wrote: » Only once I had to r/s an appt as I had chest infection. No issues, brought a doc cert the next meeting and that was it. From speaking to other people about their experiences, it seems to depend on your 'personal advisor'. My lady is decent enough but I think if you have one that isn't they can make life a little difficult. Keep records of everything - if you change an apt over the phone I would then email your PA a confirmation, for eg. As someone else said, have proof on paper that you cannot attend as you're working. Ring and give as much notice as possible. I can't see why it is a problem to r/s an appt (which it says you can do on the letter they give you detailing said appt) because you're working!!
blowin3 wrote: » Thanks for the reply and support. I think the lady I was talking to mention I had no PA and needed to have one attached to my file. Last week I worked 50 houres and this week will be 40 but after Christmas it might fall back to 3 days. But I still will not get anything from SW as my means test is set to 94e per day worked. So I think it's a punishment for dropping in my X and O docket a day late to SW as I got a phone call the following day. 😳
Stonedpilot wrote: » Here it ishttp://www.unitedpeople.ie/download/jobpath-a-unitedpeople-report/
brendanwalsh wrote: » I found this job myself. TN hassled me non stop for months. I refuse to give them a commission for me getting myself a job. they are a snake organisation.
brendanwalsh wrote: » Which is the best avenue to report harassmen Garda Seochana or somewhere else?
tringle wrote: » What happened?
blowin3 wrote: » I had my meeting with what seemed a nice young lady. I asked why I was there she said because I was on dockets even so I have got no payment from SW for the last 6 months. She said I will be expect to go to a follow up meeting at the end of the month unless I am working that day. She agreed that I am on average working 30 plus hours a week but on a zero hour contract hence on dockets. We will see.
Stonedpilot wrote: » Did you sign their contract?. Must have done if they have their claws in lad
splinter65 wrote: » What do you think will happen if he doesn’t sign the contract Stoned ?
jmcgill16 wrote: » The current best advice is to simply refuse to sign their contract at the meetings. I've heard multiple reports of people doing that and them just being dropped from Seetac/Turas Nua with no penalty. By attending any meetings, but just not signing over any rights to Seetac, its not refusing to engage so your JSA can't be penalized. But at the same time Seetac can't deal with you. The department even circulated an internal memo (which has since leaked) advising its staff not to dock anyones payments who does the above, so its fairly legitimate.
splinter65 wrote: » Best advice from who though? Can you give us a link to this advice ? Can you give us a link to the leaked memo ? Have you even got links to the numerous reports of people opting not to co operate with TN because I work at the coalface and I’m absolutely astounded.
“Having reviewed our internal Penalty Rate (PR) Circular in light of the original decision to apply same, it was noted that it did not provide for the application of a Penalty rate and subsequent nine-week disqualification period in a situation where someone refused to sign the Personal Progression Plan (PPP) but indicated that they would still engage with a prescribed programme.”
jmcgill16 wrote: » The image is a little small, but readable. The key section relates to someone attending all meetings, but refusing to sign the contract. They were initially sanctioned by DSP, but this was then subsequently overturned: Since this happened I've personally known three people who've done exactly the same, and have had no sanctions applied to them. But they've been dropped by Turas Nua/Seetac. Which exact "coalface" are you working at?
splinter65 wrote: » I work at the coalface and I’m absolutely astounded.
Farmer Bob wrote: » The 'coalface'. lol.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: Dealing with the great unwashed is tough, huh?
splinter65 wrote: » But the client did continue to attend the meetings and engaged with TN/Seetec so what is your point exactly? I’m concerned that your rather randomly encouraging posters not to engage with Jobpath when you absolutely know full well that there will be consequences if they don’t .
According to Government documents, seen by the Irish Examiner, just 18% or 6,111 out of 39,603 people selected for the scheme in the year July 2015 to June 2016 secured full-time employment. This means the cost per successful appointment was €13,772.
Social Democrats leader Catherine Murphy said the revelations contained in the documents merit a full investigation. "I have long had concerns about the quality of the scheme, when you take it with the stories from those who enrolled, but now there are real questions to be asked about the value-for- money aspect"
jmcgill16 wrote: » I made my point very clearly in my first post: that the best method of dealing with TN/Seetac currently is to attend every meeting you're called to, but refuse to sign the contract. That this will then result in TN/Seetac dropping you, with no sanctions applied by the department.
Jurgen Klopp wrote: » Being serious here. If you don't sign the progress plan how can you claim you attended and engaged for the department. I was with then before and I remember a log book you sign in when you arrive and leave and the time but think it was for the event of fire like I've seen in colleges and that I do remember at the end of each session you signed another piece of paper to receive your travel costs for petrol Are we talking refusing to a sign a single document day one that mentions data protection or are we talking about refusing to sign the form for travel costs Or is the PPP separate, I can't remember Another thing that interests and maybe you won't know but take an above poster who's on his second go with them. I wonder what's the story if he signed it the first time but refused to sign it for his second stint ? Is it a fresh case
