end of the road wrote: » nothing is being exported. people are availing of something they want elsewhere. lots of things people want won't be availible in the country.
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WhiteRoses wrote: » Please provide your proof that abortion services aren't needed in this country. Saying "its just a fact" doesn't count as evidence.
end of the road wrote: » nobody has shown evidence for a need for abortion on demand in ireland, they have shown opinion pieces to show a want for it. a want is not a need. i already agree with abortion in extreme circumstances and believe such services should be provided.
the question itself never mentioned abortion on request. so for all we know it could be abortion in limited circumstances they are in favour of.
end of the road wrote: » most of the people who claim to be christian in ireland actually aren't anyway so it cannot be gauged how many actual christians would be in favour of abortion on demand.
smacl wrote: » Ireland would no longer be a Christian majority country.?
smacl wrote: » Wow. So, in your opinion, how many actual Christians are there in this country, and what exactly gives you the right to say that someone who considers themselves Christian is not actually Christian? You realise that if your statement above were true, Ireland would no longer be a Christian majority country. You are also aware that freedom of religious expression is broadly accepted as a basic human right?
smacl wrote: » Of course, my point is simply that at what point in the process of gestation a human foetus becomes a person is probably the more important question in this debate. The RCC would have its flock believe this happens at conception, other Christian traditions would have it at implantation, other Christians who are in favour of liberalising abortion law would clearly have it much later on. It is worth remembering that the vast majority of people in this country consider themselves Christian, and very many of them (I'd guess the majority at this point) are in favour of liberalising abortion. Assuming they're not murderous, it would seem that the pro-life rhetoric holds little sway with many Irish Christians.
J C wrote: » Abortion is very different to the Same Sex Marriage issue. Abortion is a matter of life and death. Same Sex Marriage is allowing consenting same-sex couples to enter into state approved legally binding agreements on how they conduct their personal relationships ... in common with all other consenting mixed-sex couples ... it was a matter of equality ... and I (and most other Christians) have no issue with that. The Same-sex marriage amendment conferred rights that other people already enjoyed on other people who didn't enjoy them ... ... the removal of the 8th Amendment will remove rights already conferred and enjoyed by unborn children ... it's actually something like trying to reverse the same-sex marriage amendment !!!
Manach wrote: » Well based on reports from North America, there is a similiarity of progressive targeting people you support traditional marriage and those who do not support Abortion. The societal impact from these will take time to unwind, just like Europe it seems.
Kiwi in IE wrote: » Wow JC, you have really changed your attitude toward marriage and equal rights, since days of the marriage referendum! Well done, that is an astounding turnaround! We told you the sky wouldn’t fall in didn’t we! Same goes for the demise of the 8th Ammendment!
end of the road wrote: » there is a massive difference between 2 people being allowed to get married who once weren't allowed to, and the allowing of the killing of the unborn without good reason.
david75 wrote: » Not really. They’ve a lot in common actually. The church interfered in both referendums and shot themselves in the foot by doing so and lost by being so involved.
end of the road wrote: » they have nothing in common. gay marriage is supported by most people, others are even simply okay with it even if they don't agree with it. unrestricted and on demand abortion on the other hand is the worst act known to man. it targets the most vunerable in society, the unborn, killing them for no legitimate reason.
david75 wrote: » Read your post again. Others are ok with it even with it. Are you even alive? Once again. On demand abortion isn’t what the referendum is about. ‘Worst act known to man’ Can you back that statement up? With any verifiable evidence? ‘Targets the most vulnerable in our society’ Ehhh to be part of a society you have to be in a society and that means being a walking talking functioning member of society. Aka a human being. A foetus is none of the above. It is none of those things. A tadpole is not a frog. A chick is not a bird. A maggot is not a fly. Do you understand that much?
end of the road wrote: » the unborn are human beings. the unborn are part of society. one of the things often used to try and get support and justification for killing human beings is the tactic of dehumanization.
Cabaal wrote: Sorry but for a majority of this country the rights of the women simply take priority, polls show this time and time again
fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: » Just because polls say it doesn't mean it's right.
Cabaal wrote: At the end of the day if a christian doesn't want an abortion when the 8th is repealed then the solution is very simply...they don't have one.
fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: » No, they have to vote against.
Cabaal wrote: You cann't push your religious beliefs on people that do not subscribe to your beliefs.
Mr.H wrote: Religion has just place in the debate. They lost their right to talk about kids when they raped them.
fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: » That's true. Everyone is free to make up their own minds. However, whatever choice you make has consequences.
Timberrrrrrrr wrote: I prefer to make a choice that could help a woman in need rather than a choice that could mentally and physically scar a woman.
