Base price wrote: » That is not correct. As per GLAS WBC t&c's - no 6. "Pre-sowing weed control can be used. Pesticides post sowing cannot be used. However spot treatment with herbicide for noxious weeds and invasive species is permitted"https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/farmingschemesandpayments/glastranche1/GLASTranche1Spec161015.pdf
Grueller wrote: » Ok. Our glas training advisor was giving out about not being allowed to use certain chemicals to control these weeds and this leading to them being choked out by weeds. I don't have wild bird cover so am not really up to speed on it. My auld lad has it though.
wrangler wrote: » There's 7 or 8000 signatures now, they might as well try it now. Looks like it was well supported, nothing to lose , all to gain
Who2 wrote: » 800,000 cows at 200 per cow. could we put the 160 mill into setting up a decent processor?
Bass Reeves wrote: » No need about2-3 million a year to pay lads to certify and check the grading machines. Then 10-20 million to help farmer set up prodcer groups who would deal directly with factory's. This would stop a lot of the messing and price managment that goes on. As well remove access to CMMS to processors and let producer group managment control this function for QA.
Bass Reeves wrote: » There were 73K suckler farmers in Ireland in 2016. Figures may not have changed that much since then but if the have the rest of the figure remain much the same. Considering that most online polls have multiple voting as well as people that are not in the farming sector voting. A realistic figure is that about 4-5% of suckler farmers consider it necessary at present. If you look at suckler farms in general over 50%(38K) have 10 cows or less and another 20% have between 10-20 cows. Any new scheme will be from Pillar two funding as that is where the excess money is at present and more than likley it will be channelled like the welfare scheme. So in reality it would not be another 200/cow but 60-100 extra/cow. What will this mean for the majority of suckler farmers it will mean a payment in the high hundreds for there with 10-20 cows a payment between 1000-1500 euro. But the terms and conditions will erode the payment. As well as having to take days off maybe to attend training and meetings. The real winner will be Teagasc more than likly they will be a requirement to attend training and maybe join Discussion group's etc. Look at the DG's at present Teagasc are getting 500/head and still want farmers to stump up another couple hundred to facilate the group. The processors will be happy because they will have a group of farmers trapped to produce cheap beef for them at a loss. IFA will then spin this as a reason not to have a flat greening rate post 2019. The FJ will clap itself on the back as being a saviour of suckler farmers but ignore the damage it will do to farming in general or to the fact that suckler farmers are trapped in a low margin business If the FJ was interested in west of Ireland farmers or suckler farmers in general it would look for this excess Pillar 2 money be directed either into ANC payments or into enhancing present GLAS payments. As Willfarmer said an area based suckler extensivation payment with those farmers having the choice as to stocking levels. Wrangler a lot of you posts show your ignorance of what happens west of the Shannon or you act dumb regarding it. The proposal of a subsidy would be of benifit only to suckler farmer's on good land, and pedigree bull producers who with there land have choices of what they can farm. You also showed who you were backing when you spoke abot an extra 10k in income for to achieve this a suckler farmer even if it was an extar 200/head would need 50 suckler cows. As well would we once again we would see a quota system and a trading of entitlements to the benefit of auctioneers and farmers retiring or those exiting to go milking.
Bass Reeves wrote: » If you look at suckler farms in general over 50%(38K) have 10 cows or less and another 20% have between 10-20 cows. So roughly speaking the other 30% have in excess of 100 cows on average? You don't hear too many laments for/from them. What is the plan for the 50k odd farmers running less than 20 cows? Part time hardship in perpetuity? Is the long term plan to let demographics deal with it? If so there's going to be a great deal of suffering in the mean time. If they get the €200 payment it will average something less than €2500 euros each. What does this achieve? If it's the difference between dying and surviving what's the point long term? If it's the difference between a family having a few quid for the extras or wondering why there's so much month left at the end of the money I could see some point in it. Despite all the apparent profit in dairying average herd size has almost quadrupled since area aid payments were introduced and dairy farm numbers have reduced by over 60% in the same time period. Sucklers aren't going to be the salvation for any rural area imo. The population in my area is stable or rising slightly for the past thirty years. There were two farmers sons and no farmer on the intermediate hurling team last year. We are lucky to be close to waterford city and unemployment is low. Access to jobs is our salvation and it's the only thing that will arrest the decline in any rural area. I'm aware that my knowledge of the dynamics and realities of farming west of the Shannon would be akin to a fourth generation dubs so don't take the head off me for my ignorance.
So roughly speaking the other 30% have in excess of 100 cows on average? You don't hear too many laments for/from them. What is the plan for the 50k odd farmers running less than 20 cows? Part time hardship in perpetuity? Is the long term plan to let demographics deal with it? If so there's going to be a great deal of suffering in the mean time. If they get the €200 payment it will average something less than €2500 euros each. What does this achieve? If it's the difference between dying and surviving what's the point long term? If it's the difference between a family having a few quid for the extras or wondering why there's so much month left at the end of the money I could see some point in it. Despite all the apparent profit in dairying average herd size has almost quadrupled since area aid payments were introduced and dairy farm numbers have reduced by over 60% in the same time period. Sucklers aren't going to be the salvation for any rural area imo. The population in my area is stable or rising slightly for the past thirty years. There were two farmers sons and no farmer on the intermediate hurling team last year. We are lucky to be close to waterford city and unemployment is low. Access to jobs is our salvation and it's the only thing that will arrest the decline in any rural area. I'm aware that my knowledge of the dynamics and realities of farming west of the Shannon would be akin to a fourth generation dubs so don't take the head off me for my ignorance.
Limestone Cowboy wrote: » You'd nearly feel guilty to be a suckler farmer reading this thread. Not sure how you'd justify a 200e suckler payment but if the ones that are there go the west is dead in my opinion. It's bad enough as it is at the moment. To give an example there's only 9 lads based locally on our local football team out of 25 and 5 of us are suckler farmers and the other 4 lads are doing trades. All the rest are living away in Galway, Dublin, limerick and Cork. If the subsidys went I don't think we'd be here either.
freedominacup wrote: » So roughly speaking the other 30% have in excess of 100 cows on average? You don't hear too many laments for/from them. What is the plan for the 50k odd farmers running less than 20 cows? Part time hardship in perpetuity? Is the long term plan to let demographics deal with it? If so there's going to be a great deal of suffering in the mean time. If they get the €200 payment it will average something less than €2500 euros each. What does this achieve? If it's the difference between dying and surviving what's the point long term? If it's the difference between a family having a few quid for the extras or wondering why there's so much month left at the end of the money I could see some point in it. Despite all the apparent profit in dairying average herd size has almost quadrupled since area aid payments were introduced and dairy farm numbers have reduced by over 60% in the same time period. Sucklers aren't going to be the salvation for any rural area imo. The population in my area is stable or rising slightly for the past thirty years. There were two farmers sons and no farmer on the intermediate hurling team last year. We are lucky to be close to waterford city and unemployment is low. Access to jobs is our salvation and it's the only thing that will arrest the decline in any rural area. I'm aware that my knowledge of the dynamics and realities of farming west of the Shannon would be akin to a fourth generation dubs so don't take the head off me for my ignorance.
Bass Reeves wrote: » Limestone if the scheme was not headage based but rather an extensivation type scheme base on a per HA basis. If ANC payment was enhanced and down the line Greening was flat payment as well as GLAS being enhanced would you and other suckler farmers around you be better off. .
wrangler wrote: » I'm don't like people building houses in the country, young people are too removed from the land nowadays and the way dogs are killing sheep is evidence of this, but still I see that the countryside will die if its not well subsidised
Cattlepen wrote: » I can’t agree with you there. People should be allowed build in the country. I was told buy a Councillor that I would have to get used to living in a town. This was at a time when I had collosill amount of stock and worked on the farm since I left school. Took me about three years to get planning.To many dictators in that regard wrangler
K.G. wrote: » Would we better off sticking the money into rural broadband
patsy_mccabe wrote: » Obviously the guy that proposed the €300, has haggled before. Go high and settle low, as they say.
