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Can a Christian vote for unlimited abortion?

J C

I don't believe that a Christian can morally vote for unlimited abortion.

The Sixth Commandment is very simple and very clear ... 'Thou shalt not kill'.

It means that you cannot kill yourself or another Human Being, except in self defence (or the defence of another Human Being) where no other option is available.
This is the basis for all laws protecting the person and criminalising the killing of other people in Common Law Jurisprudence.

Induced abortion is ethically and morally wrong ... except where the life of the mother is directly threatened and there is no other option available to save her.

This is the current law in Ireland.

Voting to expand Irish Law to allow the unlimited killing of unborn children is not something that any Christian (or other monotheist, indeed) can do in conscience and in clear contravention of the Sixth Commandment of God.

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ouxbbkqtswdfaw

mach1982 wrote:

They don't worship Mohmand they worship Allah (their name for the God of Abraham, Isaac Jacob) the same God that you and I worship. We just happen to believe that Jesus is the Son of God and they don't.

You must accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour.

end of the road

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

Fixed that for ya. Now at least your point is accurately made if nevertheless untrue.

actually no you didn't fix it, his statement is correct. it is a human being, just not a person yet.

Gerry T

fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote:

The rules of the Catholic Church are written by God.

No their not. They were written by men. The bibles were written by men, hundreds of yrs after jesus was here.
Ever notice how miracles were plentifully back in the day, but since the age of photography they seem to have stopped!

SuperSean11

fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: »

You must accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour.

But why?

mach1982

I believe abortion is wrong full stop. Every child should be given the right to life but I am a logical person so will try and look at this logically and without bias.

The really the question is when do we receive our souls, doses a week old bunch of cells have a soul? Some say we receive it at birth, others argue at conception and some a few days after birth.

According to the church "The soul is the subject of human consciousness and freedom " once we can determine when the fetus is conscious ie has self-awareness and you need to have thought to be self-aware so you need a functioning brain then it has a soul.

According to this website "https://www.whattoexpect.com/pregnancy/fetal-development/fetal-brain-nervous-system/"

The beginning of what becomes the brain develops after 16 days and at 6/7 weeks the three main parts of the brain develop.

Christian believe a soul is what separates us from all other animals so that why ok to kill them for food as they don't have souls so we are not breaking "Thou Sall not Kill"

Therefore the 6th Command should really be "Thou Shall Not kill anything with a Soul "

So to answer the OP question, yes you can as a Christian vote for abortion, as long as the fetuses does not have a soul.

SuperSean11

Where does it say animals don’t have souls?

mach1982

SuperSean11 wrote: »

Where does it say animals don’t have souls?

I stand corrected, Animals do have souls but they not immortal ones like ours.

see https://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/pets_in_heaven.htm

So it should be "Thou shalt not kill anything with an immortal soul"

NinetyTwoTeam

J C wrote: »

I'm very real .. and the immediate deaths of beautiful innocent 12 week unborn children exactly like this will be the result of a vote to remove the 8th.

This isn't a child with any disease (not that this should be a reason to kill her anyway).
The welfare of the mother is a 'red herring' ... modern medicine can take care of the health of all pregnant women ... and if there is a risk to her life ... abortion is already available in Ireland to prevent that.

... and there is a programme running now on RTE 1 TV on Downs Syndrome testing in the UK ... where 90% of unborn children diagnosed with Downs Syndrome are aborted ... in Iceland the figure is 100%.
Legally in the UK, a Downs Syndrome child can be killed right up to birth.

Horrendous and outrageous !!!

That's a CGI cartoon, you know. And the bold type now with underlining AND exclamation points!!! This kind of carry on is why most pro lifers are assumed to be ridiculous nutters.

Have you raised a down syndrome child, who probably will need your care even well into adulthood? Who may never be able to work or find a mate? If not, then you have no clue how hard it is, and no right to force that on anyone.

SuperSean11

mach1982 wrote: »

I stand corrected, Animals do have souls but they not immortal ones like ours.

see https://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/pets_in_heaven.htm

So it should be "Thou shalt not kill anything with an immortal soul"

It says that the church doesn’t address the topic of animals souls, it’s just the writer waffling on

end of the road

NinetyTwoTeam wrote: »

That's a CGI cartoon, you know. And the bold type now with underlining AND exclamation points!!! This kind of carry on is why most pro lifers are assumed to be ridiculous nutters.

Have you raised a down syndrome child, who probably will need your care even well into adulthood? Who may never be able to work or find a mate? If not, then you have no clue how hard it is, and no right to force that on anyone.

no, but he does have the right to vote against removing legislation that would allow the killing of the unborn within the state without good reason or question. the unborn have a right to life and to live.

YFlyer

fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: »

Christians cannot vote for the death penalty.

I give you the USA.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

If they vote for the death penalty, they are not Christian.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

SuperSean11 wrote:

But why?

Because He is your Lord and Saviour.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

Gerry T wrote:

No their not. They were written by men. The bibles were written by men, hundreds of yrs after jesus was here. Ever notice how miracles were plentifully back in the day, but since the age of photography they seem to have stopped!

The Catholic Church is the one true Church founded by Christ for the salvation of the world.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

SuperSean11 wrote:

Where does it say animals donâ€™t have souls?

Animals don't have souls such as humans. But they enter Heaven because Christ loves them.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

Abortion is the wilful killing of another human being. Thus abortion is murder.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

Gerry T wrote:

No their not. They were written by men. The bibles were written by men, hundreds of yrs after jesus was here. Ever notice how miracles were plentifully back in the day, but since the age of photography they seem to have stopped!

Everybody word of the Bible is God's word. Every word therefore, is true.

YFlyer

fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: »

If they vote for the death penalty, they are not Christian.

They do claim they're Christians. You do read?

YFlyer

fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: »

Everybody word of the Bible is God's word. Every word therefore, is true.

NT contradicts OT.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

YFlyer wrote:

NT contradicts OT.

No. The New Testament completes the Old testament.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

YFlyer wrote:

They do claim they're Christians. You do read?

It does not matter whether they claim to be Christians or not, they are not Christians.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

In the Old Testament, God punished various tribes. The reason for this is that they had abandoned Him utterly and they could not ever enter the Kingdom of God. So He wiped them out. He will do this again for this godless world, unless people repent. If you repent, you will not feel His wrath.

YFlyer

fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: »

In the Old Testament, God punished various tribes. The reason for this is that they had abandoned Him utterly and they could not ever enter the Kingdom of God. So He wiped them out. He will do this again for this godless world, unless people repent. If you repent, you will not feel His wrath.

So its not the book or word of God.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

YFlyer wrote:

So its not the book or word of God.

Yes it is.

cnocbui

fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: »

In the Old Testament, God punished various tribes. The reason for this is that they had abandoned Him utterly and they could not ever enter the Kingdom of God. So He wiped them out. He will do this again for this godless world, unless people repent. If you repent, you will not feel His wrath.

There is no god, and judging by what you have chosen to focus on, if there were, it would make Trump look grown up and mature by comparison.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

cnocbui wrote:

There is no god, and judging by what you have chosen to focus on, if there were, it would make Trump look grown up and mature by comparison.

I'm afraid there is a God, the wrath of whom the world will feel very shortly. Please repent, while you still have time.

YFlyer

fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: »

Yes it is.

Lol ok. Gods word during Kali Yuga.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

YFlyer wrote:

Lol ok. Gods word during Kali Yuga.

Strife and discord.

54and56

fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: »

In the Old Testament, God punished various tribes. The reason for this is that they had abandoned Him utterly and they could not ever enter the Kingdom of God. So He wiped them out. He will do this again for this godless world, unless people repent. If you repent, you will not feel His wrath.

Your repetitive dogmatic nonsense duress nothing to progress your pro life argument, all it does is highlight how intransigent and stuck in the past you are.

People like you will actually help win the referendum argument for repealing the 8th just as similar dogma shone a light on why the divorce and marriage equality referendums should be approved.

Please do carry on, you're doing a great job.

Bubbaclaus

fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: »

In the Old Testament, God punished various tribes. The reason for this is that they had abandoned Him utterly and they could not ever enter the Kingdom of God. So He wiped them out. He will do this again for this godless world, unless people repent. If you repent, you will not feel His wrath.

He sounds a bit like Kim Jong Un. How big is his button?