fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: » Yes, of course he will be forgiven.
J C wrote: » I don't believe that a Christian can morally vote for unlimited abortion. The Sixth Commandment is very simple and very clear ... 'Thou shalt not kill'. It means that you cannot kill yourself or another Human Being, except in self defence (or the defence of another Human Being) where no other option is available. This is the basis for all laws protecting the person and criminalising the killing of other people in Common Law Jurisprudence. Induced abortion is ethically and morally wrong ... except where the life of the mother is directly threatened and there is no other option available to save her. This is the current law in Ireland. Voting to expand Irish Law to allow the unlimited killing of unborn children is not something that any Christian (or other monotheist, indeed) can do in conscience and in clear contravention of the Sixth Commandment of God.
LeeroyJ. wrote: Well good thing i am an atheist and can vote for autonomy and a fundamental human right. And i sincerely hope there are enough other people that can distance themselves from religious BS and make a decision without basing it on fairytales so we can stop exporting our females to other jurisdictions so they can get basic treatment.
Je_suis_Jean wrote: Cool, that finally answers the OPs question ie "YES" christians can indeed vote in favour of unlimited abortion safe in the knowledge that providing they go to confession or whatever soon after and genuinely repent, including saying the three hail mary's they'll likely get for punishment (I always found the concept of being told to say prayers as a form of punishment a bit odd) then all will be hunky dory all round and a Win Win for everyone.
fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: » Unfortunately, Muslims follow a false God, and will receive their just reward.
Bubbaclaus wrote: That's unfortunate for you, as you follow the exact same god. Are you claiming you follow a false god?
Bubbaclaus wrote: Seek forgiveness now or you will not be allowed enter his kingdom.
Je_suis_Jean wrote: » Why don't you address the question I asked? Can a christian who had educated himself/herself on the issue of abortion and votes in favour of unlimited abortion (for whatever reasons you may not be able to comprehend) but later genuinely respents be forgiven by god or not?
YFlyer wrote: Plenty of Christians for the death penalty.
keano_afc wrote: » "Every human embryologist in the world knows that the life of the new individual HUMAN BEING begins at fertilisation. It is not belief, it is scientific fact". Ward Kishcer, University of Arizona.
fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: » Why would you vote yes and then go to confession soon after? I don't think that would be a genuine confession.
fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: » God is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. There is no other God.
God wrote: 32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’[a]? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.”
Je_suis_Jean wrote: Regardless, let's assume they leave it to their death bed to genuinely repent, are they forgiven and welcomed into the glorious kingdom or not?
mach1982 wrote: God the Father is the God of Abraham and Issac.(matthew 22 :32)
YFlyer wrote: » Plenty of Christians for the death penalty.
J C wrote: » ... here is a 12 week old unborn child which the Dail committee on abortion is recommending to be allowed to be aborted on demand immediately the 8th is removed. I'm sure that everyone will agree that this is some 'clump of cells' allright !!! ... a beautiful baby girl, as it so happens ... does anybody really think that it is OK to kill this child? ... does anybody really think this isn't a Human Being? ... so who is going 'to cast the first stone' (and vote) to kill this child?
fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: » Yes of course.
J C wrote: » Owney ... Roman Cathoics don't have a monopoly on opposing abortion ... Moslems also oppose it ... so please stop fighting with your allies ... there are enough pro-abortionists to oppose, without wasting your energies arguing with people who are on your side, on the abortion issue.
Je_suis_Jean wrote: So we're sorted on the OPs question then. It is ok for christians to vote for unlimited abortion providing they genuinely repent before they die.
mach1982 wrote: While my views on the topic might be similar to his, am not an ally. In the end, it's between the individual and God . The Church is only meant to guide us , remember their rules are written by men, not God. You don't answer to the Pope, or any other religious leader the only person you answer to is God, and God will always forgive.
Je_suis_Jean wrote: » I will, without a moments hesitation because you are ignoring the health of the mother, the circumstances of the pregnancy and the health of the foetus and projecting an idealistic version of reality which doesn't reflect real life. Have you ever held a new born with triosomy 13 and watch it die in your arms? My sister did and she had no doubt an abortion would have been the humane thing to do for all concerned but she wasn't allowed that option and had to carry the foetus to full term so both the newly born baby and it's parents could experience the full pain of the process for as long as possible.You need to get real.
fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: » Jesus is not a prophet, He is the Son of God.
mach1982 wrote: Yes that what I believe Jesus is the Son of God, but Muslins believe he is a Prophet, just like Mohmand. My point is that you said they believe a false God, but they don't.
fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: » I don't understand this. How can a follower of Christ vote for abortion in the first place?
fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: » The rules of the Catholic Church are written by God.
Je_suis_Jean wrote: Also, I guess a follower of christ can vote for abortion and later be forgiven in the same way a priest for example can force a child to give him a blow job and later be forgiven by god.
antiskeptic wrote: Many believe this is little more than your owenybaloney.
fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: » A prophet is not God.
