prawnsambo wrote: » Yep. It seems it's still run like a club: Some collection of blazers :eek:
FrannoFan wrote: » where is the gender balance!?!
sydthebeat wrote: » Sure doesn't Ethel make a great cup of tea, what more do ye want....
FrannoFan wrote: where is the gender balance!?!
MJohnston wrote: Where is the "anything but old white men" balance, I'd say. But then I suppose that's most rugby organisations for you.
The Lost Sheep wrote: » more women have to look to get involved to be fair. It's same at most levels of committees
prawnsambo wrote: » This is often the excuse that's trotted out when a lack of female representation is noted. Many of these committee positions are filled by people being approached and asked to join. But when there's no women on them, it's their fault for not putting themselves forward. :rolleyes:
The Lost Sheep wrote: » Many? You sure of that. Parents have been involved in committee level for years and i am on two committees. Club and regional. In different sports. Not approached to do either and it is far from many who are approached. If you really want more women to be involved you need more to look to be involved. Yes acceptance of women in some roles has to be better but you need more women to be involved at club level first. How many clubs have had female presidents/honorary secretaries/honorary treasurers/even many committee members? Its generally from there that people move on to provincial committees. So unless clubs get more females on their committees first and these women then look to go to provincial committees/branch you will get more involved beyond clubs.
prawnsambo wrote: » I have served and continue to serve on a number of committees. Not one of those positions was canvassed for by myself. In all cases I was approached and asked. One of those committees is a NGB of sport. Less than two months ago, I was asked to stand for a committee position in another sport. I had to turn that down. My only qualification for being asked was having been a member of the club for a couple of years. I also know many other people who have served and currently serve on committees. To the best of my knowledge, they were asked to volunteer. That does not mean that they or I did not have to stand and get elected in the normal fashion. But generally there are so few volunteers in sport that these are generally uncontested elections.
The Lost Sheep wrote: » Well that isnt the case for many positions in many clubs. People are not happy with incumbents so offer themselves to go in place and they get the position. In one case it was a PRO role. I started writing online. Didnt intend on taking position. Was at AGM. No-one proposed so i took the role. I wasnt asked. Yes in some cases the elections are uncontested but that doesnt mean most are uncontested. Anyway this goes well away from the thread title. The provinces cant copy Leinster's model. No provinces have numbers of Leinster and never will so cant try get same model and have to change/do things differently than leinster.
FrannoFan wrote: » I think some of the provinces could look at the leinster model for involvement in non traditional rugby areas. Connacht doing well in that also. I felt munster never made hay in the sunshine of 2006/2008 euro glory. Still had same schools competing etc. Likewise someone posted about ulster traditional areas and the difficulty breaking in. Tommy bowe is the poster boy to crack that. Always excuses for the way things are. Seems to be more people breaking into leinster from club game/smaller schools than in the past. Michaels / rock might still dominate but contributions coming from across the board making the province stronger.
prawnsambo wrote: » Or perhaps they look at all male committees and conclude that it's a closed shop. The only way to bridge that gap is to ask them. You might be surprised.
stephen_n wrote: » Approached? Do you mean begged? In most organizations less than 10% of the membership are willing to do any work, probably half that again who are willing to go on committees.
The Lost Sheep wrote: » Munster didnt make enough of the success of 2006 and 2008. Yes its the same schools competing but (sorry FrannoFan not being a dick) you havent a notion about youths(clubs) rugby in the province. And in that time frame the number of clubs competing in youths rugby competitions has increased. The standard of play in youths rugby has multiplied several times over. Clubs in youths rugby are now getting far more games against other top sides provincial wide. I played in provincial finals over several years in youths rugby. To do that now in one season is far far harder than it was in my day. Standards are higher and competitions are harder. In some ways Stephen Ferris is as much the poster boy for Ulster not Tommy Bowe. Ferris did attend a rugby school but also played for Ulster and Ireland under 18 clubs not schools. There is more breaking through from Leinster and that is down to work the regional coaches, provincial coaches and club coaches as well as academy
FrannoFan wrote: » My point is munster didn't make a success of the 2006/2008 cup wining sides to kick the game on. You are saying they did via the club game. Granted i don't claim to know what is happening with the club game in Munster but if it was a success and we are 10 years on surely the Munster academy should be producing more players for munster? Instead this week we have had 2 18 year olds recruited from SA. Jack power/conor oliver down from Leinster in recent years. Also I am agreeing with you that the work done by Leisnter RDO's via the clubs is bearing fruit. Club rugby in Leinster is definitely improving to a standard that we have adam byrne/furlong/tom daly all breaking into pro ranks.
