Eir rural FTTH thread

Marlow wrote: »

What exactly are you looking for ?

Any of the providers on the fiber-rollout page, that have a house logo, are offering FTTH on the OpenEIR platform (rural and urban) .. on par with Eir retail, but with different packages, pricing and service. Eir retail is not OpenEIR.

/M

I am looking for someone posting on this thread that Virgin, or someone other than Eir, have sent someone around to their house to connect their house to the network.

cnocbui wrote: »

I am looking for someone posting on this thread that Virgin, or someone other than Eir, have sent someone around to their house to connect their house to the network.

Lots of people in this thread, that have connections with for example Digiweb opposed to Eir ... on the rural roll out. Just need to read back. Westnet, too.

/M

Most of them are only offering 100mb, and a few basically saying contact us and we'll let you know (tho never heard of them). I had been checking the big players and none seem to offer more than 100mb

fritzelly wrote: »

Most of them are only offering 100mb, and a few basically saying contact us and we'll let you know (tho never heard of them). I had been checking the big players and none seem to offer more than 100mb

Digiweb are probably the largest ISP outside of eir currently offering service. Hopefully Sky and Vodafone will join soon to drive further competition on prices.

fritzelly wrote: »

Most of them are only offering 100mb, and a few basically saying contact us and we'll let you know (tho never heard of them). I had been checking the big players and none seem to offer more than 100mb

If they don't offer more than 100 Mbit/s, then they wouldn't have the house logo on the fiber-rollout site either.

Only the ones with the house logo do.

/M

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

Digiweb are probably the largest ISP outside of eir currently offering service. Hopefully Sky and Vodafone will join soon to drive further competition on prices.

Strange, I checked a few places that I know have fibre cabinets and the results were always 100Mb only

fritzelly wrote: »

Strange, I checked a few places that I know have fibre cabinets and the results were always 100Mb only

If they have cabinets it is likely only 100Mb max on FTTC. Openeir's current rollout is targeted at non FTTC areas.

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

If they have cabinets it is likely only 100Mb max on FTTC. Openeir's current rollout is targeted at non FTTC areas.

So if their is already FTTC then they're not bothering upgrading the area anymore? That sucks - not chancing that to find out I can get 5mb

fritzelly wrote: »

So if their is already FTTC then they're not bothering upgrading the area anymore? That sucks - not chancing that to find out I can get 5mb

It is somewhat complicated now. eir have recently come under new ownership and the rumours are that the new owners want to focus on more investment in urban areas i.e. upgrading the FTTC areas to FTTH. So it is possible that there will be a shift in eir's priority in the short to medium term.

Marlow wrote: »

Lots of people in this thread, that have connections with for example Digiweb opposed to Eir ... on the rural roll out. Just need to read back. Westnet, too.

/M

I am pretty familiar with those posts, but can't recall a single post saying anyone, other than Eir, made the actual connection. Plenty saying Eir made the connection for free then they cancelled with Eir and swapped to Digeweb.

Quite unethical, IMO.

fritzelly wrote: »

So if their is already FTTC then they're not bothering upgrading the area anymore? That sucks - not chancing that to find out I can get 5mb

Correct. If the yellow line passed a green blob, then there's no FTTH (in the majority of cases). They've bypassed most urban areas even though it crosses through the urban area from one rural to another rural area.

FTTH is not fed from fiber cabinets. It's fed from the exchange. A fiber cabinet does not tell you about FTTH being available. Fiber distribution points on the poles does, though.

cnocbui wrote: »

I am pretty familiar with those posts, but can't recall a single post saying anyone, other than Eir, made the actual connection. Plenty saying Eir made the connection for free then they cancelled with Eir and swapped to Digeweb.

Quite unethical, IMO.

That's up to each individual, if they don't want to pay the installation fee. OpenEIR is charging the providers A LOT more, than what for example Digiweb and others are charging for the installation. It's Eir (retails) own perogative, if they wan't to conquer the market at a big loss. They know the risks and laws.

/M

enfant terrible

Hi guys,

Got 150mbps FTTH installed last Friday but still waiting for the account to be activated.

We have rang Eir numerous times and they keep saying wait 24/48 hours and it will kick in but we are still waiting four days later.

On the router we have a green light over power and wifi, DSL and Internet and have no green light.

Anyone know what could be wrong?

Thanks

cnocbui wrote: »

I am pretty familiar with those posts, but can't recall a single post saying anyone, other than Eir, made the actual connection. Plenty saying Eir made the connection for free then they cancelled with Eir and swapped to Digeweb.

Quite unethical, IMO.

Digiweb can connect you though (via KN). It is simply because eir are currently offering free installation and Digiweb are charging €200, I believe, that most are opting for eir.

FTTH is not fed from fiber cabinets. It's fed from the exchange. A fiber cabinet does not tell you about FTTH being available. Fiber distribution points on the poles does, though.

My mistake, thought it came from the cabinets, oops - tho it doesn't make sense to me why you have a fibre cabinet but you can't provide FTTH from it, will have to look at one more closely tomorrow and the poles around it.

ps
what happened to the page numbers on threads from the home page, annoying to click thru only to have to click to the last page

fritzelly wrote: »

My mistake, thought it came from the cabinets, oops - tho it doesn't make sense to me why you have a fibre cabinet but you can't provide FTTH from it, will have to look at one more closely tomorrow and the poles around it.

The reason, that OpenEIR calls them fiber cabinets is because they are fed with fiber to drive their VDSL DSLAMs. So fiber in and VDSL out. Hence it's called FTTC = Fiber to the Cabinet.

The actual line to the end customer then has nothing to do with fiber, but it sounds better to call them fiber cabinets and eFiber Broadband. Sounds more sexy to call it something with fiber, instead of DSL. Since they've already tarnished the DSL name with slow broadband.

The thing is, that the gear installed in these cabinets has to be hardened type equipment, so costs more.

The FTTH equipment however doesn't have the distance limitations on the fiber cabling, as the DSL equipment has on the copper cabling. So you can use non-hardened gear, put it in the exchange and provide it with more cooling, backup power, batteries etc .. all stuff, that the road-side cabinets don't have space for.

Ergo: fiber cabinets are for copper connections. Optical fiber distribution points on the poles are for fiber, which is terminated directly to the customer.

Any connection of a "fiber cabinet" can't do more than 100 Mbit/s, because it's copper to the customer.

/M

Westnet: Paul

cnocbui wrote: »

I am pretty familiar with those posts, but can't recall a single post saying anyone, other than Eir, made the actual connection.

We've installed a few hundred open eir FTTH and VDSL customers.

fritzelly wrote: »

My mistake, thought it came from the cabinets, oops - tho it doesn't make sense to me why you have a fibre cabinet but you can't provide FTTH from it, will have to look at one more closely tomorrow and the poles around it.

ps
what happened to the page numbers on threads from the home page, annoying to click thru only to have to click to the last page

Sense and telecoms in this country seem to be strangers. I live about 1400m from a fibre cabinet, which is on the same road. My BB connection is actually all the way back to the exchange, at about 3000m away. Two different providers say I would get a lower speed if I was connected to a cabinet that is less than half the distance away.

cnocbui wrote: »

Sense and telecoms in this country seem to be strangers. I live about 1400m from a fibre cabinet, which is on the same road. My BB connection is actually all the way back to the exchange, at about 3000m away. Two different providers say I would get a lower speed if I was connected to a cabinet that is less than half the distance away.

Are you on FTTH or FTTC ? If you're on FTTH, then that is correct. And sense certainly was involved. Read my post above on the reasoning.

/M

irelandjoe

Nenagh seems to be getting wired up, My poles have the cables ran and on the main road I see they have the black box up the pole, terminating the cables.
I have the "Great news you will be connected from Oc to Dec 2017" message from Eir but heard nothing since. From what I can see only 9 properties have been turned on but they appear to be taking a while to enable the rest anyone have any insights on what could be the delay?

Aside from that, I would love to have a chat with potential installs to see best way to get the cable to the house from the pole as I have a 250m driveway from the nearest pole (The pole where the DSL is coming from) and I would say that the 2" duct taking my existing DSL line will be very hard to get anything through such a distance, will the installers even try ?

Marlow wrote: »

Are you on FTTH or FTTC ? If you're on FTTH, then that is correct. And sense certainly was involved. Read my post above on the reasoning.

/M

I'm on neither, I am on ADSL, with FTTH a prospect when they get around to it.

The seemingly nonsensical part is that I have been told that if a switched to FTTC, a cabinet just under half the distance to the exchange, I would apparently see a speed decrease from the 7 - 8 Mbps I currently get.

cnocbui wrote: »

I'm on neither, I am on ADSL, with FTTH a prospect when they get around to it.

The seemingly nonsensical part is that I have been told that if a switched to FTTC, a cabinet just under half the distance to the exchange, I would apparently see a speed decrease from the 7 - 8 Mbps I currently get.

You would not be connected to the cabinet though. You would still be served from the exchange and at long distances VDSL (FTTC) performs worse than ADSL2 which is why you would see a drop in speed.

cnocbui wrote: »

I'm on neither, I am on ADSL, with FTTH a prospect when they get around to it.

The seemingly nonsensical part is that I have been told that if a switched to FTTC, a cabinet just under half the distance to the exchange, I would apparently see a speed decrease from the 7 - 8 Mbps I currently get.

That is a very feasable explanation.

At 1400m, the cable length can be longer. That means, the absolute max you can expect is 12 Mbit/s at 1500m and an optimal cable run.

We've seen this in the past. With advanced features, that will result in higher speeds on shorter distance, the longer distances suffer.

With ADSL2 products the increased speed even resultet in higher ping times causes gamers to suffer, so that packages had to be rolled out with lower speeds at the older technology to accodate lower and more consistant ping times.

VDSL sacrifices distance over speed. So yes .. what you've been told is actually sound advice.

/M

irelandjoe wrote: »

Nenagh seems to be getting wired up, My poles have the cables ran and on the main road I see they have the black box up the pole, terminating the cables.
I have the "Great news you will be connected from Oc to Dec 2017" message from Eir but heard nothing since. From what I can see only 9 properties have been turned on but they appear to be taking a while to enable the rest anyone have any insights on what could be the delay?

Aside from that, I would love to have a chat with potential installs to see best way to get the cable to the house from the pole as I have a 250m driveway from the nearest pole (The pole where the DSL is coming from) and I would say that the 2" duct taking my existing DSL line will be very hard to get anything through such a distance, will the installers even try ?

I'm not sure if the standard rods they carry would even do 250M. They may try but if it fails it will be your responsibility to fix the ducting, perhaps installing an access point midway would be an option. Let them try first though before you go to any expense.

Alan G

Had a KN engineer call to my house on Saturday (a week ahead of schedule with only 20 minutes notice). Anyway, he arrived and then told me that it is too late to start the job so I await my original install date of this Friday.

While he was there, I went through how I wanted the cable to be routed onto my house (same as the existing copper line) and also, where I wanted it to enter the building.

He said, he wouldn't be doing it that way as it was easier to come direct from the pole (and onto another point of the house) which would involve me to cut down some trees to make clearance (at my expense).

Presumably, I have every right to to refuse this if I am not happy with it.

Also, does anybody know what the maximum height a KN engineer can work at? (I'd like to route the cable along the eaves of a gable end if possible). I have no problem fixing this to the gable end myself after, if the correct length of cable is left for me.

Thanks

Alan G wrote: »

Had a KN engineer call to my house on Saturday (a week ahead of schedule with only 20 minutes notice). Anyway, he arrived and then told me that it is too late to start the job so I await my original install date of this Friday.

While he was there, I went through how I wanted the cable to be routed onto my house (same as the existing copper line) and also, where I wanted it to enter the building.

He said, he wouldn't be doing it that way as it was easier to come direct from the pole (and onto another point of the house) which would involve me to cut down some trees to make clearance (at my expense).

Presumably, I have every right to to refuse this if I am not happy with it.

Also, does anybody know what the maximum height a KN engineer can work at? (I'd like to route the cable along the eaves of a gable end if possible). I have no problem fixing this to the gable end myself after, if the correct length of cable is left for me.

Thanks

If you refuse his install doesnt mean hes going to do it your way, his job is to make a simple direct connection to the house, after that its up to you how you extend that connection internally

turbbo

Alan G wrote: »

Had a KN engineer call to my house on Saturday (a week ahead of schedule with only 20 minutes notice). Anyway, he arrived and then told me that it is too late to start the job so I await my original install date of this Friday.

While he was there, I went through how I wanted the cable to be routed onto my house (same as the existing copper line) and also, where I wanted it to enter the building.

He said, he wouldn't be doing it that way as it was easier to come direct from the pole (and onto another point of the house) which would involve me to cut down some trees to make clearance (at my expense).

Presumably, I have every right to to refuse this if I am not happy with it.

Also, does anybody know what the maximum height a KN engineer can work at? (I'd like to route the cable along the eaves of a gable end if possible). I have no problem fixing this to the gable end myself after, if the correct length of cable is left for me.

Thanks

If I was you'd I take what was suggested and be happy that I'm getting fibre. Put up a fight at the risk of not being connected if you wish - but it wouldn't be my first option and I'm a cantankerous enough sort.

KeRbDoG

Westnet: Paul wrote: »

We've installed a few hundred open eir FTTH and VDSL customers.

Please expand the location for your rollouts and call yourself West/East-net

Dublin et al. in the East could do with your companies professional rollout/service

pmc8

Just had an eir salesperson at my door wanting to sign me up for ftth saying the service will be live in 10 days,from reading this thread with all the problems people have with eir and getting things ordered would i be better off waiting the 10 days to see if the service will actually go live in 10 days.ive checked on the eir site using my eircode and says my area is next in line and will be in my area between october and december 2017.