FrancieBrady wrote: » There are numerous examples of the British engaging in unlawful acts and as players in the conflict/war. The victims of their particular violence can legitimately call rhem terrorists as a result. All players utilized terror to achieve their aims. The simple harsh reality of a conflict/war.
The word applied to one side is redundant and meaningless.
FrancieBrady wrote: » There are numerous examples of the British engaging in unlawful acts and as players in the conflict/war. The victims of their particular violence can legitimately call rhem terrorists as a result. All players utilized terror to achieve their aims. The simple harsh reality of a conflict/war. The word applied to one side is redundant and meaningless.
Zaph wrote: » What has any of that got to do with wotzgoingon's assertion that the IRA weren't terrorists?
ressem wrote: » False. What terror did the SDLP use. Or human rights activists. Or the maimed civilians. The republic's government? Unlike you, no I don't accept that the british government made a decision to commit terror against people in Ulster.
False. It is a description of vile and repugnant acts carried out against civilians, and where it is applicable to a group of attackers, it should be applied. It must not be waved away as inconsequential. Some of the hurt victims will forgive, others bite their tongue and restrain from responding in kind, knowing that they would likely hurt the wrong people. Others lash out. Why is that so hard to understand? The provos claim to have originated to defend catholic civilians. Then they started inflicting their own terror and control on their own community and beyond.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I didn't engage with him/her at all. I was replying to another post.
Zaph wrote: » Yes, you replied to my post which was in response to his post. And your reply had nothing to do with what I stated either, it's purely whataboutery for the sake of it.
FrancieBrady wrote: » You had a select list, so do I and all the players in the conflict/war are on mine. If the BA were a neutral force as they should have been, they wouldn't be on it. Simple.
markodaly wrote: » All the players were not involved in terrorism. The SDLP to take one example. It is not a good retort in defending PIRA atrocities with the glib claim that 'Sure, they were all at it'. And before you post back with the latest straw-man, no one is defending the Loyalists or British army actions like Bloody Sunday. So, we can park the 'What about them' retort off the bat.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Were the SDLP players in the armed conflict? I mean do we have to be literal about everything. Was it not obvious we were talking about those engaged in the violence? Jesus H.
markodaly wrote: » Yes, we have to be literal about it because with your grand sweeping statements and your inability to communicate effectively you pass yourself off with someone who blows a lot of hot air, with little actual knowledge of the details.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Em, somebody trying to get the SDLP included as 'players' in the violence strikes me as somebody painfully uninformed, much as I dislike the SDLP. But carry on. The nuns will under consideration soon at this rate.
markodaly wrote: » It shows you how much you actually don't know about the conflict in the North that you don't rate the SDLP. But there you go, cant really expect much from apologists of the murder of children and old men.
Deleted User wrote: » Can't imagine the logic going on in your brains when you're arguing who was worse when they were all murdering ****s. Reason enough for never allowing a United Ireland. To keep both sides far from the people in the Republic. I don't really care who was worse. They all stooped far lower than they ever should have.
FrancieBrady wrote: » The tragedy of any conflict/war. Happened down south just a few decades before. Has happened all over the world, and people can put it behind them if the cause of it is removed. A lesson that still hasn't been learned by some.
Deleted User wrote: » It's more than a few decades now... the people who haven't learned are dreamers and frankly, the armchair generals content for others to die to fertilize their dreams. Valiant heroes all.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Wow that escalated quickly. I said I don't like the SDLP, I didn't 'rate' them. If you can quote me as an apologist for the murder of 'children' and 'old men' that would be good. Do you know how many children the British army killed during the conflict/war btw? In a non 'terrifying' way allegedly.
markodaly wrote: » wotzgoingon wrote: » They can be what ever they want to be so long as they do not march over a 100% bigoted march which they never admit to but every sane persons knows they do. Eh, What? I think you better stop posting as your posts are becoming unreadable and illegible. Lay off the COD as well.
wotzgoingon wrote: » They can be what ever they want to be so long as they do not march over a 100% bigoted march which they never admit to but every sane persons knows they do.
markodaly wrote: » Ah, there it is. "But the British Army did x,y,z" The classic retort for excusers of PIRA murders of women and children.
wotzgoingon wrote: » Luckily I decided to browse through this thread and came across your post. I found you out man. I was going to write a lot of stuff but I would just be banned. I'm pretty sure the rest of the anti Irish in this thread don't fall far from the tree. Have you not got your own websites to go on. Are you and your buddy's looking forward to the marching season this year. I found you out man. Your not as intelligent as you think.
baylah17 wrote: » i would consider myself patriotic but I have no interest in and indeed would campaign against unification of the island. I dont find I have much in common with Northern Irelanders, no harm to them but they have their place and I have mine.
FrancieBrady wrote: » So you would campaign against on the basis that you have nothing in common with the people of NI? You do realise your campaign would be immediately undermined by the fact you would be standing on the same island as them? Of course you have 'something' in common with them. And you have an increasing amount in common with 'them' as all island structures and institutions grow as a result of the GFA which was signed by Irish government on behalf of the people from the south too. Don't print those leaflets yet.
baylah17 wrote: » Many countries share islands, that in and of itself is no basis for unifying them. I have no more in common with Northerners that I have with the French , Dutch etc. It does not behove you to decide for me what I have in common or with whom. Either way the point is moot as there is feck all chance of the disaster that would be unification ever coming to pass.
Samaris wrote: » No, it is not unpatriotic. It is a huge decision that would profoundly affect the lives of people of two countries and deserves to be treated with a serious consideration of upsides and downsides to citizens of both countries. It does no service to the question to throw out such emotive words as "unpatriotic" at those who dare give it full consideration. What are we, lemmings who must follow the "a nation once again" line with no regard for northerners who will not want it and border counties in our own country who may have genuine fears about violence breaking out again? It sounds much like the "traitors!" bull**** going on in the British media over Brexit. This question deserves to be treated with more respect and consideration than religious fervor. I am Undecided. If the North voted solidly for unification, I would probably vote Yes, especially given the brexit situation and the border. I would do it with some trepidation however, as I wondered just what we were all (North and Rep) were letting ourselves in for, how much taxes would have to rise to help support the North into integration, how a fairly different culture would settle into that of the Republic, how Unionists would react and what it would mean for Stormont. They will have valid fears about how they might be treated too and that also must be respected and ameliorated.
markodaly wrote: » All the players were not involved in terrorism. The SDLP to take one example.
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