RobertKK wrote: » This is why I don't bother with you for the most part.https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=105664686&postcount=8983 Contains Jerusalem, North Korea, I don't know what you want, blood?
When it came to drones, Obama normalised that in that in military use. What figures have we to use that Trump is worse or better when it comes to drone dtrikes, I will have no problem criticising.
The thing is Billy, I can see the good and bad side to whatever side, you only post good about those you like and bad about those you don't.
Trump was totally wrong on Roy Moore, Iran deal, climate change deal, Jerusalem as it was unnecessary, the countries that people are banned from traveling from to the US, wrong in selling more weapons to Saudi Arabia. Trump was right in reducing corporation taxes, his approach to Russia and China, his approach to Syria and ISIS were the right ones.
Anyway tell me the drone figures from 2017 since I am suppose to comment on them, what are that? As I said I have no problem in criticising their overuse.
RobertKK wrote: » It is not about defending, some people only post negative as if there was nothing positive at all. If a little balance is added, it has to be wrong.
Christy42 wrote: » Surely it is obvious. Do you want to try defending Trump? It is an impossible task and thus all actual Trump discussions must in fact focus on other people. Note that even the main defense against the Mueller probe has little to do with Trump and whether or not he would do such a thing. The main defense from the right has been to attack Mueller. It is a tactic that is being repeatedly employed. Attack, attack, attack because if people look at where the right is at the moment it is toast.
Billy86 wrote: » Again you're continuing to go out of your way to avoid passing any comment on Jerusalem, North Korea, China, drone strikes, bombing Syrian airports, landing the biggest non nuclear bomb in world history on Afghanistan, and on and on. As someone with such a huge interest in (or rather against) drone strikes and meddling in the middle east, surely you've got an opinion on this Robert? I mean you used to love posting about drone strikes so much only a year ago... what changed? Yes, actions. Ok now we're getting somewhere! This is what has been repeatedly put to you... actions, like rapidly increasing drone strikes in the middle east and trying to force the UN into declaring Jerusalem the capital of Israel? I'll repeat (feel free to continue to ignore)... as someone with such a huge interest in (or rather against) drone strikes and meddling in the middle east, surely you've got an opinion on this Robert? I mean you used to love posting about drone strikes so much only a year ago... what changed?
Pelvis wrote: » Why are we talking about Hilary Clinton and Obama??? It matters not a jot why the Russians decided to interfere. What matters is whether or not the Trump campaign conspired or attempted to conspire with them. If it turns out they did, then the "but they only interfered because of Hilary" is a pretty piss poor defense. Robert, you do understand this is Treason we're talking about... yes?
RobertKK wrote: » You can twist what I posted to something I didn’t post if you want. But it doesn’t make it the truth.
RobertKK wrote: » Btw Billy, which is stronger? Words or actions? You supported the person who did the actions when an actual politician, but criticise the person who used words instead when they were a reality TV star... But you think words speak louder than actions...
Billy86 wrote: » When you ram your fingers in your ears about Trump supporting Libya and Iraq, that does not mean that the rest of us cannot hear anything. He's been a warmonger by your standards since long before he ever declared running for president in 2015. No opinion on Jerusalem? North Korea? China? Drone strikes? Or will you just continue to try and do all you can to ignore them too... Trump told a kid he wants peace for Christmas after all. And when says it, baby you know it's true!
pitifulgod wrote: » Trump is literally escalating any international scenario that he gets involved in...
RobertKK wrote: » I am not playing the victim, I am not a victim, just saying what is reality. When was Trump in power? You supported the woman who actively supported every war going and was involved in a coup in Honduras which led to a lot of murder.
RobertKK wrote: » I think all the candidates were terrible. Just some were worse...with a record to prove it.
Tell me how wrote: » This is a discussion forum, people can join in. Most here see Trump for what he is. That is not a fallacy, he is being judged on his words, and his behaviour. You call Hillary a warmonger. More than George Bush and his neo-con cabinet which invaded Iraq because of Bin Laden What do you think of Trumps behaviour with North Korea and his open threats there? What do you think of him moving the embassy to Jerusalem? What good things do you think Trump has done?
Billy86 wrote: » Not looking down my nose at anything Robert, that's the second attempt to play the victim now. And not even trying to open a discussion with you either. Just pointing out that the reason people often don't take your posts very seriously, like the "swing and a miss" comment. Robert, I was never a Trump supporter thank you very much.
Leroy42 wrote: » So hold on, what you are saying is that Russia got involved in the US elections because they didn't want HC to win, and therefore Trump has done a wonderful job by allowing them to do it? There is not one POTUS that is anything other than a destroyer of nations, in effect the US has become more and more dependent on the military as its status as the cutting edge of business continues to decline. Would HC have stopped that, no, but Trump has shown no desire to stop it either. He has actively increased tensions in the ME with the non-sensical move of the embassy, with nothing in return for the US. He was completely and totally embarrased by the UN recent vote. To have the US reduced to crying that the UN keeps taking its money but won't simply agree with it. At least Bush made up some lies to cover the WMD, Trump just threw a tantrum. NK is laughing at Trump. Laughing. Not just ignoring him but actively doing what he tells them not to. Now I happen to agree with Trumps stance on NK, but his posturing is achieving nothing. That China and Russia agree has nothing to do with respect for Trump. They do not want a nuclear armed madman on their borders. If Obama was still there they would still have the same position.
RobertKK wrote: » Do you honestly think I would want to discuss things with a person who always looks down their nose at me?
RobertKK wrote: » He activitelt supported the war monger for president.
RobertKK wrote: » Why are you getting involved, do you think Billy needs someone to hold his hand? Billy has a history of looking down on me, he doesn’t take people not supporting his opinions very well. He activitelt supported the war monger for president and I can at least say Trump did some good things as well as bad things. Most here would have one believe it was only bad.
RobertKK wrote: » I think all the candidates were terrible. Just some were worse...
Jamiekelly wrote: » aaaaaand.... :rolleyes: Are you really surprised to find someone doesn't agree with you on a politics forum? It's not an echo chamber.
B0jangles wrote: » And you have the absolutely gall to declare that other people are gullible?
RobertKK wrote: » I think Trump was likely the best of a very bad lot.
RobertKK wrote: » That was not the point. The point being why Russia got involved, but people want to ignore why and it has far more to do with Hillary than it has to with Trump in my opinion. Where was the Obama policy, the Bush policy and the Clinton policy going with North Korea? Under these various US regimes we watched North Korea become a nuclear power even if some are afraid to say it. You think Trump speeded up their progression, it was helped by the soft policies of previous regimes who did very little in reality to alter the trajectory of where NK was headed. I think Trump was likely the best of a very bad lot. Some key relations in the world are less tense than what they were a year ago. We still live with the messes of the previous regime, but a lot of people are in denial of the destructive policies of the Obama administration. They are like robots, programmed to be gullible and are unable to argue the good and bad side. Obama was a PR genius, it allowed him to get away with a lot with the media, the active support of destroying nations by supporting rebels and active military interventions, arming Saudi Arabia for war against Yemen - yes Trump in the case of SA is doing the same disgraceful act of arming them, as the people of Yemen die, starve and suffer illnesses that shouldn’t exist there. Europe has the migrant crisis which the Obama administration left us as their main legacy, they continued the Bush administration’s regime change policy and it was a very neocon foreign policy by Obama. Trump so far has not reached the level of destruction that Obama brought. I will be ready to criticise when he does but will look on in disbelief as people here chose to ignore how bad the Obama presidency really was. The body count in terms of dead people from the Obama administration and the foreign policy they supported is in the hundreds of thousands, supported the destruction of Libya, Syria, Egypt with sectarian extremists before the coup, the war against Yemen. People are so blind, and Dublin City Council are the epitome of this by awarding the Obamas the freedom of our capital city. The same blindness is very evident on the politics section too. But Trump...it is trendy to say he is no good, but let me give my love eyes to Obama... Maybe they are all simply useless...
RobertKK wrote: » Not great debating skills there, you could be referring to your own post which lacks substance.
RobertKK wrote: » I don’t read what you post as I know you personally do not like me so I won’t waste my time. It will help save you time too in replying.
Billy86 wrote: » Well then feel free to be left wondering why people don't take your posts seriously, because the answer is in the post you seem to have just quoted without reading. Don't take it so personally, and all the best now.
Billy86 wrote: » That's because you're gone beyond a parody of yourself at times, still "but Obama'ing" about things like Libya that Trump also supported getting involved in (just as he supported getting involved in Iraq), while keeping your mouth shut and ramming your fingers in your ears about bombing Syria, increased drone strikes across the middle east, dropping the biggest non nuclear bomb in history in Afghanistan, saber rattling China (and getting played like a fiddle in the process), and of course regularly urging for war with North Korea. Yet you're here trying to tell us how all Trump wants for Christmas is "peace". Given all your complaining about about US involvement in the middle east, I couldn't help but notice for example that you have not made one single comment on Trump trying to force the UN to recognise Jerusalem as Israel's capital. You've also gone from having a mild obsession with drones a year back to the point of literally dreaming about them, to only three posts in over 10 months now - one of which was calling Obama 'the drone king' and another of which was about Clinton commenting on droning Assange, the most recent of which was over 8 months ago. It's as if something happened at the start of the year that caused you to do a 180 on how much you care about all of that. Basically, this is the kind of stuff that makes it very difficult to take your posts seriously at this point.
Christy42 wrote: » Hillary's potential foreign policy choices are not the subject of Mueller's investigation. Neither is Libya. You are spoofing there to avoid discussing Trump raising the stakes and effectively challenging North Korea keep up their missile program and indeed clashing with Tillerson on this matter as they repeatedly sent out mixed messages. He traded away the US's main leverage with Israel in the middle east crisis for precisely 0 benefit (and it created an increase in violence as was predicted by damn near everyone). Come on. I get this site is largely anti Trump but if you have something good about him then feel free to share. It is hard for people to change their minds when all there is opposing the Trump is terrible viewpoint is "But Hillary!"
RobertKK wrote: » Christy42 wrote: » I think people are just tired of the but Hillary would worse defense which is largely impossible to prove in either direction. It is also completely irrelevant. Obama will not be judged on people think Romney will be done. The only reason people are so obsessed with Hillary is because is Trump is so terrible that you can't actually talk about him properly and not him out to he an obviously horrific choice. If Trump gets impeached it won't be Hillary taking over. In 2020 it won't be Hillary going against Trump. She is irrelevant except for trying to move the Trump conversation away from Trump. It is completely relevant if people want to talk about the Mueller investigation.
Christy42 wrote: » I think people are just tired of the but Hillary would worse defense which is largely impossible to prove in either direction. It is also completely irrelevant. Obama will not be judged on people think Romney will be done. The only reason people are so obsessed with Hillary is because is Trump is so terrible that you can't actually talk about him properly and not him out to he an obviously horrific choice. If Trump gets impeached it won't be Hillary taking over. In 2020 it won't be Hillary going against Trump. She is irrelevant except for trying to move the Trump conversation away from Trump.
