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Dairy chit chat II

Mooooo

One morning I need to get the cows done early dumbass here let's the wire down directing to parlour and cows head for a gallop to the last fecking field on the pasaage

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Panch18

Are you supposed to be representing Irish dairy farmers or French dairy farmers??

cjpm

kowtow wrote: »

Careful of those invitations.

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The whole thing ended up on the front pages the next morning and the Prime Minister's office sent me a rather large fellow to sit in the corner of my office for the next few months in case I needed "help with my communications strategy.."

I actually LOL'd when I read this. You could write a book with your stories Kowtow

mf240

Maybe you should tell them to concentrate on there own businesses and not worry about the Irish.

Sillycave

jaymla627 wrote: »

the other major point is to avail of tams you have to be fully cross compliant on paper including have adequate slurry storage for all animals on farm on date of application

Is this correct? Didn't know that

mahoney_j

Sillycave wrote: »

Is this correct? Didn't know that

Correct and right

Never wrestle with pigs

longgonesilver wrote: »

Seasonality is probably one of the biggest differences
Building new plants to cope with peak yields that are closed now and the workers laid off.

To be fair those plants run 300 plus days 24/7 non stop and need a few weeks down time for rebuilding from top to bottom so it kinda works out to drop certain plants at this time of the year when f-all milk is in the system.

Water John

Don't confuse plant that runs for 40+ weeks with plant that runs 6-8 weeks a year. Invest well in the main plant. Minimise capital investment in the short term plant.

Never wrestle with pigs

Water John wrote: »

Don't confuse plant that runs for 40+ weeks with plant that runs 6-8 weeks a year. Invest well in the main plant. Minimise capital investment in the short term plant.

What plants are only running for 6/8 weeks of the year?

Water John

Peak plant.

Timmaay

Sillycave wrote: »

Is this correct? Didn't know that

Yep, the rules also specifically state you cannot use the grant just to make yourself compliant. As part of the tams application you will have to provide details of all your winter accommodation/slurry storage, and current stock numbers, and show you have sufficient winter storage and accommodation. So if you send in an application, and cannot show you have sufficient storage and accommodation then you run the risk of drawing an inspection on yourself. The one "get out of jail" card is deep straw bedding, if you can demonstrate you keep control of all the slurry from the animals in a particular shed then you don't need separate slurry storage for them. This is only really practical though in very dry areas, with loads of cheap straw, where you might get away with only housing animals for 6/8wks of the winter.

Gawddawggonnit

jaymla627 wrote: »

... the fact you could be waiting over a year to draw it down after you've paid out the money needed upfront is a pretty big ball ache

Be a bigger ball ache if you had no grant...

Gawddawggonnit

Panch18 wrote: »

Are you supposed to be representing Irish dairy farmers or French dairy farmers??

I represent myself.

I’m only giving an overview of financial supports given to dairy farmers in Ireland....

Gawddawggonnit

mf240 wrote: »

Maybe you should tell them to concentrate on there own businesses and not worry about the Irish.

Why?
Irish farmers scrutinize the NZ system in a fairly intense manner.

Surely there’s nothing to hide...:)

Edit:
Agriland, Farmers Journal etc articles with production figures/costs are always translated into French by the likes of Cedric Garnier et al, and not machine translations either...these William Joyce type broadcasts create a little confusion when CoP’s of low/sub 20cpl are quoted.

I don’t know if Agriland (etc) have sister companies doing the translation or if it’s just nosiness on behalf of the French...

Gawddawggonnit

VAT.

Since the vast majority of dairy farmers are not registered for vat, there are certain vat deductions that I’m not sure about.
What are zero rated? Fert, feed, cows/stock??

What do, other than machinery, dairy farmers have to pay vat on?

Anything that’s nailed down is vat free?

Most importantly, are the 40/60% grant aids inc vat or plus vat?

Gawddawggonnit

PRSI.

Is the payment of prsi optional?

Farmers don’t have to pay themselves a wage with the resulting paye/prsi obligations...?

True?

mahoney_j

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

VAT.

Since the vast majority of dairy farmers are not registered for vat, there are certain vat deductions that I’m not sure about.
What are zero rated? Fert, feed, cows/stock??

What do, other than machinery, dairy farmers have to pay vat on?

Anything that’s nailed down is vat free?

Most importantly, are the 40/60% grant aids inc vat or plus vat?

Grant paid minus vat

Gawddawggonnit

mahoney_j wrote: »

Grant paid minus vat

Jeezuzz, so grants are 63/83%?

Class!

mahoney_j

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Jeezuzz, so grants are 63/83%?

Class!

Tis a great country we live in ,u should come back

Mooooo

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

PRSI.

Is the payment of prsi optional?

Farmers don’t have to pay themselves a wage with the resulting paye/prsi obligations...?

True?

Farmers are sole traders if not incorporated and pay the same tax as any other business

Injuryprone

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Jeezuzz, so grants are 63/83%?

Class!

Should be 51.2%,67.5% I think.

Bills from building contractors would only be subject to 13.5% vat too I think. So a further reduction in the 'grant' for those items.

Water John

Don't forget the downsides, cost of finance, cost of land/rent. And it pisses rain, all the time.

alps

And the fukin tax......

K.G.

And thefinal one.things must be better for farming in france than ireland otherwise you re an ejit for going there.ðŸ˜†ðŸ˜†

Mooooo

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Be a bigger ball ache if you had no grant...

You'd be surprised, with a lot of these grants the price for the jobs rise with it. Know a good number who drive on without them, its not about not qualifying either, just can get the job done faster and as cost effective without it

Reggie.

Mooooo wrote: »

You'd be surprised, with a lot of these grants the price for the jobs rise with it. Know a good number who drive on without them, its not about not qualifying either, just can get the job done faster and as cost effective without it

I get nothing here. Dont look for anything. Less ****e to deal with

jaymla627

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Be a bigger ball ache if you had no grant...

Never drew down a grant here our bps, it's amazing the weight lifted of your shoulders when your not worrying about the department our waiting with the hand out for overdue payments makes planning ahead fierce handy, build all our own sheds here anyways even with our own labour fully costed in would be putting up sheds for half the price compared to the grant route, put up this shed for 27 grand all in building contractor wanted 23 thousand just to erect shed and supply cladding steel no concretr

Mooooo

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

VAT.

Since the vast majority of dairy farmers are not registered for vat, there are certain vat deductions that I’m not sure about.
What are zero rated? Fert, feed, cows/stock??

What do, other than machinery, dairy farmers have to pay vat on?

Anything that’s nailed down is vat free?

Most importantly, are the 40/60% grant aids inc vat or plus vat?

Amount applicable to Grants are capped on the amount spent also, 40%/60% of 40k if on your own, of 80k if in partnership afaik

Timmaay

Injuryprone wrote: »

Should be 51.2%,67.5% I think.

Bills from building contractors would only be subject to 13.5% vat too I think. So a further reduction in the 'grant' for those items.

Is it not service vat that's the 13.5%? Also the 5.2% vat refund for non registered farmers, which the government adjusts every year or so based on the volume of vat collected from farmers, I assume this is slightly lower as a result of farmers claiming back capital vat?

And yeh agreed about tams, its a godsend for some stuff like milking parlours etc, but for other stuff, when you factor in builder inflation, higher specifications, extra paperwork etc, the 40% grant is simply not worth it for many items, or spends under the likes of 15k.

Gawddawggonnit

Mooooo wrote: »

Farmers are sole traders if not incorporated and pay the same tax as any other business

Agreed, but that’s income tax.

The wage you pay yourself is booked as drawings, so no paye and prsi yes?

Just to clarify.

Gawddawggonnit

Water John wrote: »

Don't forget the downsides, cost of finance, cost of land/rent. And it pisses rain, all the time.

Outside of cost of finance, the rest would seem very attractive...especially the capital appreciation.