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Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread II

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Odhinn

recedite wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem

What in that is meant to contradict the other posters statement?

demfad

C14N wrote: »

I don't buy that theory. There's a damaging story about Trump every week, and Trump seems as easily distracted as any other cable-news viewer. He's just constantly being the same self he was before he got elected (his Twitter account was always like this, it's just that hardly anyone used to care about his self-aggrandisement and fight-picking). Distracting from the Flynn story isn't even going to make much difference. All that's reported so far is speculation, the actual story is still to come.

Damaging stories and Trump starting petty squabbles or doing something ridiculous are just both always happening all the time.

Unfortunately not.
Anytime there he has been in deep water there has been a coordinated distraction campaign carried out any or all of by Fox news, RT, loyal Republicans, Breitbart, Wikileaks, Russian Trolls and Trump himself. The Russian Government itself has often chipped in to voice their opinion.

A lot of this distraction and noise happens just before a bad story emerges in the public eye.

This happens on every occasion a bad story emerges. It is deliberate and coordinated not coincidental.

Here is the top hashtag that the Internet Reseacrh Agency in St Petersgurg are forcing to trend right now:

Tell me how

It begins.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42265337

From link wrote:

At least 16 Palestinians have been wounded in clashes in the occupied West Bank, during protests against US President Donald Trump's recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital.
Reports suggest the injuries are mostly from tear gas and rubber bullets, but at least one was hurt by live fire.

Odhinn

Tell me how wrote: »

It begins.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42265337

It should be noted that Israeli rubber bullets differ from the ones used in NI - they are usually smaller (1.5cm across) rubber coated balls of steel, and considerably more dangerous.
https://www.google.ie/search?q=israeli+rubber+bullets&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwicj8XSsvjXAhVlAsAKHfgOAy8Q_AUICigB&biw=1536&bih=831&dpr=1.25#imgrc=15Hk_4D9AMeyVM:

[Deleted User]

Tell me how wrote: »

It begins.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42265337

I think the best part is the Israeli soldiers used live bullets in response to this...

I tried my best to make a Trump response:

"You know we're going to get such a great peace deal, believe me. There are people on many sides of this violence, there are some very fine Israeli soldiers, believe me, do the Palestinians that cause this, do they have any semblance of guilt? You have to look at the sides, Jerusalem is a great city, it's Jewish heritage must be protected let me tell you, the Palestinians want to take down history, a great strong history, believe me, and it's not going to work. Our embassy will be really something very special let me tell you, Israel will be very proud. The Palestinians will have to come to peace, I'll make them an offer they can't refuse or we'll just have to meet them with fire and fury, law and order will be restored there."

weisses

roddy15 wrote: »

I think the best part is the Israeli soldiers used live bullets in response to this...

I tried my best to make a Trump response:

"You know we're going to get such a great peace deal, believe me. There are people on many sides of this violence, there are some very fine Israeli soldiers, believe me, do the Palestinians that cause this, do they have any semblance of guilt? You have to look at the sides, Jerusalem is a great city, it's Jewish heritage must be protected let me tell you, the Palestinians want to take down history, a great strong history, believe me, and it's not going to work. Our embassy will be really something very special let me tell you, Israel will be very proud. The Palestinians will have to come to peace, I'll make them an offer they can't refuse or we'll just have to meet them with fire and fury, law and order will be restored there."

Nehhh ....Thats not Trump

BuilderPlumber

Get this American regime out before it destroys world peace. Donald Trump would be best advised to go into witness protection, confess what he knows and let Mueller and co nail the criminals who are directing all this negative harmful policy.

Quin_Dub

Is this the story that they are trying to deflect from?

During a week in which President Trump's lawyer asserted that a president legally cannot obstruct justice simply by virtue of being president, it might seem difficult to top the brazenness of that legal strategy. But Donald Trump Jr. gave it a run for its money on Wednesday.

In closed-door testimony before the House Intelligence Committee, Trump Jr. invoked attorney-client privilege to withhold details of a conversation with his father about that Trump Tower meeting with a Russian lawyer. The reason: Legal counsel happened to be on the call. As The Post's Karoun Demirjian and Rosalind S. Helderman report:

Rep. Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.) said Wednesday that Trump Jr. told the committee he did speak with his father about the Trump Tower meeting several days later, after emails showing he had accepted the meeting after being offered “dirt” on Clinton were made public. However, Trump Jr. declined to detail the conversation to the committee, indicating a lawyer had been present and he believed it was subject to attorney-client privilege.

The consensus is that the claim of privilege doesn't hold water , but as the Republicans hold the keys to the committee it will be interesting

What's he hiding??

markodaly

In fairness whatever about Trump and his idiot policies people going on about him being attached to some death cult illuminates to me that the other side are guilty of perhaps being a little bit too rumbustious in their commentary.

Itssoeasy

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Is this the story that they are trying to deflect from?

The consensus is that the claim of privilege doesn't hold water , but as the Republicans hold the keys to the committee it will be interesting

What's he hiding??

Him and his father doing something illegal.

Igotadose

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Is this the story that they are trying to deflect from?

The consensus is that the claim of privilege doesn't hold water , but as the Republicans hold the keys to the committee it will be interesting

What's he hiding??

Don Jr? Not hiding - just dumb. It's Thursday. Mueller indicted Flynn a week ago, and Trumpy's thrown a grenade into the middle-east in the meantime. Probably another indictment to come, hopefully Kushner, seeing the back of him in the WH will be great. Extra joy from a perp walk.

Though, he strikes me as someone that'll sing like a bird once the prosecutor applies the screws a bit harder. His father's a convicted felon and the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.

Itssoeasy

Igotadose wrote: »

Don Jr? Not hiding - just dumb. It's Thursday. Mueller indicted Flynn a week ago, and Trumpy's thrown a grenade into the middle-east in the meantime. Probably another indictment to come, hopefully Kushner, seeing the back of him in the WH will be great. Extra joy from a perp walk.

Though, he strikes me as someone that'll sing like a bird once the prosecutor applies the screws a bit harder. His father's a convicted felon and the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.

Will Trump drop him like a bad habit even though he's his Son in Law ?I'm just wondering who Trump Sr will drop to save himself. Is Melania safe ?

Samaris

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Will Trump drop him like a bad habit even though he's his Son in Law ?I'm just wondering who Trump Sr will drop to save himself. Is Melania safe ?

Ivanka's probably safe enough. After that...er..

ECO_Mental

Read a report a few days back and I've been keeping my eye on it. But have you noticed since Trumps last Twitter tantrum where he incriminated himself (idiot) there has been none on the verbal garbage trolling we are used to. They are all run of the mill WH communications propaganda....

Have they managed to take the phone off him at last?:rolleyes:

Itssoeasy

Samaris wrote: »

Ivanka's probably safe enough. After that...er..

Tiffany, Baron, and Eric are probably fine due one of them being a minor and two not being anywhere near what has gone on. Tiffany seems to be the forgotten daughter.

[Deleted User]

weisses wrote: »

Nehhh ....Thats not Trump

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/15/trump-decries-alt-left-in-charlottesville-do-have-any-semblance-guilt.html

Basically, all I did was mash stuff he's said together. :P He does tend to repeat key phrases and stuff. He must have learnt "semblance of guilt" from some morning show.

aloyisious

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Is this the story that they are trying to deflect from?

The consensus is that the claim of privilege doesn't hold water , but as the Republicans hold the keys to the committee it will be interesting

Unless Don Jnr was doubling as the lawyer he mentioned as listening-in at the meeting, no joy. Even Jeff Sessions wouldn't try something as dense.

Leroy42

aloyisious wrote: »

Unless Don Jnr was doubling as the lawyer he mentioned as being at the meeting, no joy. Even Jeff Sessions wouldn't try something as dense.

Yeah, but he got away with it!

The 'Trump' modus operandi is so say anything on the basis that your opposite number actual places some value on truth and being seen to be right. They don't immediately and forcefully challenge it, and call it out for the nonsense it is, because in the back of most peoples minds is that lingering doubt, the acceptance, that they aren't infallible and therefore could be wrong.

So they hold back on the basis that they will check the facts and come back. But that give Trump enough time to pivot on to something else and the moment is passed. Later, the nonsense used by Trump is either forgotten or ends up as taken as something that needs to be disproven by others rather than proven by Trump.

froog

trump has shown in the last few days he is willing to risk large amounts of lives to deflect from his personal problems. this is deeply disturbing and doesn't bode well for things like north korea.

aloyisious

Leroy42 wrote: »

Yeah, but he got away with it!

The 'Trump' modus operandi is so say anything on the basis that your opposite number actual places some value on truth and being seen to be right. They don't immediately and forcefully challenge it, and call it out for the nonsense it is, because in the back of most peoples minds is that lingering doubt, the acceptance, that they aren't infallible and therefore could be wrong.

So they hold back on the basis that they will check the facts and come back. But that give Trump enough time to pivot on to something else and the moment is passed. Later, the nonsense used by Trump is either forgotten or ends up as taken as something that needs to be disproven by others rather than proven by Trump.

A houseful of lawyers and people expert at smelling a rat letting him away with it makes for a weird houseful of adults. I smell a rat, or an elephant scared of a rodent.

Igotadose

ECO_Mental wrote: »

Read a report a few days back and I've been keeping my eye on it. But have you noticed since Trumps last Twitter tantrum where he incriminated himself (idiot) there has been none on the verbal garbage trolling we are used to. They are all run of the mill WH communications propaganda....

Have they managed to take the phone off him at last?:rolleyes:

There was a post to the previous thread showing what kind of phone is used and who posts from that phone. If it's an Iphone, it's staff. If it's an Android phone, it's Trump. I don't know how to tell but that author did, there's a header you can look at if you fetch the twitter message programmatically. http://varianceexplained.org/r/trump-tweets/

He's probably just not posting as much.

In other news, he's scheduled for a medical exam in January, normally this is a nothingburger, but with him 'slurring' his Jerusalem pronouncement, there's a few raised eyebrows: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/12/07/trump-receive-routine-medical-exam-next-year-white-house-says/931715001/

And January, we get to hear Trumpy give his first "State of the Union" address. I am *really* looking forward to that. Maybe it's his resignation address, too...

Wanderer78

Igotadose wrote:

And January, we get to hear Trumpy give his first "State of the Union" address. I am *really* looking forward to that. Maybe it's his resignation address, too...

I wouldn't get overly exciting about it, it 'll probably just be the usual, 'I'm great' speech and 'the democrats' crap, while the real leaders continue with their wrecking ball in the background

Billy86

Trump's numbers continue to whittle down... I could be wrong on this but think I remember hearing 30% as the 'magic number' after which either party is good as certain to throw their politicians under the bus. It'll take a bit longer here what with the cult mentality and all, but encouraging none the less:

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/07/trump-approval-rating-president-hits-new-low-of-32-percent.html

Of 1,503 people surveyed, 32 percent approved of the way Trump is handling his job as president — the lowest level since he took office, the latest poll by Pew Research Center shows.

The president's job approval has dropped from 34 percent in October, and from 39 percent in February a few weeks after his inauguration.

The Pew poll also found that the president is losing support among Republicans. Currently, 76 percent of Republicans and those who lean toward the Republican party approve of the president's job performance, down from 84 percent who did so in February.

Disapproval is 63% - http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/polls/pew-28315

A net -31% approval now goes tied with Jimmy Carter as the fourth most unpopular any president has ever been, the cultist element is all that's holding him back from reaching Nixon (-41), Truman (-42) and Bush Jnr (-46).

demfad

Harvard Report on media coverage of US presidential election via sentences either on policy or on scandal for either candidate.

This goes to show how poorly the media performed and how easily they were manipulated. The email scandals which were largely created by a Russian hack and then weaponised through Wikileaks and Trump himself was by far the biggest scandal in coverage. Looking at the graphic we can see also that Trump-Russia was the scandal with the lowest coverage. Obviously this dwarfs any other scandal now, and might perhaps in presidential history: but the media treated it as minor during the actual election of president.

Leroy42

Billy86 wrote: »

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/07/trump-approval-rating-president-hits-new-low-of-32-percent.html

The Pew poll also found that the president is losing support among Republicans. Currently, 76 percent of Republicans and those who lean toward the Republican party approve of the president's job performance, down from 84 percent who did so in February.

This bit I really don't understand. Even if you are a died in the wool republican, or even if you aren't, I struggle to see how anybody can possible be of the opinion that Trump is doing a good job.

That is not the same as asking if he getting things you like done. With control of Washington Trump is in one of the best positions a POTUS has been in for many years. So the minimum he should be doing is getting some things done.

But how anyone can be of the opinion that he is doing well is beyond me. He has struggled to control his own party, has got nowhere with the opposition and has failed to get some of his key ideas implemented.

Surely GOP members are thinking how much more they could be achieving if only they had a competent POTUS in place.

Leroy42

demfad wrote: »

on media coverage of US presidential election via sentences either on policy or on scandal for either candidate.

You are aware that for Trump supporters the talking point from all that research, all that hard work and detailed analysis, is that it just goes to prove their point, and Trump's point, that the media for biased in their reporting of HC.

Way more coverage given over to her, and yet he still won.

Sad

Billy86

Leroy42 wrote: »

This bit I really don't understand. Even if you are a died in the wool republican, or even if you aren't, I struggle to see how anybody can possible be of the opinion that Trump is doing a good job.

Because it's a cult - I know that sounded a bit dramatic initially, but it's all there is to it. Something else I've saying for ages is that because it's a cult, Trump or the GOP could come out and openly support Russian stances over American, and the lemmings would still vote for them.

Well guess what...

In an interview with the Guardian’s Anywhere But Washington series, Moore also said that Ronald Reagan’s famous declaration about the Soviet Union being “the focus of evil in the modern world” might today be applied to the US.

“You could say that about America, couldn’t you?” he said. “We promote a lot of bad things.” Asked for an example, he replied: “Same-sex marriage.”

When it was pointed out to Moore that his arguments on gay rights and morality were the same as those of the Russian leader, he replied: “Well, maybe Putin is right.” He added: “Maybe he’s more akin to me than I know.

It's been pretty clear for a while, but it's interesting to see how things will develop now that they're beginning to openly support Putin, under whom homosexuality is likened with paedophilia, the irony of which Roy Moore of all people is invoking I am sure will be lost on nobody here (spoiler alert: the cultists won't care and will vote for them regardless).

[Deleted User]

Leroy42 wrote: »

This bit I really don't understand. Even if you are a died in the wool republican, or even if you aren't, I struggle to see how anybody can possible be of the opinion that Trump is doing a good job.

On mobile so I'm not going to dig out the post, but several months ago one of Trump's supporters on here was comparing him to Caesar. That's the mentality you are dealing with.

Professor Moriarty

Deleted User wrote: »

On mobile so I'm not going to dig out the post, but several months ago one of Trump's supporters on here was comparing him to Caesar. That's the mentality you are dealing with.

Here you go.

Water John

Not advocating any such similar solution, but Caesar didn't last long. Comparisons are risky.