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RTE "paedophile" exposed (Read Admin note post #1)

Dr Brown

Has anyone heard of this guy before?

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Admin note - as this story is breaking late at night, please do not name the individual or link to the video. We will revisit this decision early tomorrow. Discussion in the story is of course permitted as long as there are no comments as to identity.

UPDATE 20-Nov, 11:40 am - The person in question has been charged in the UK & publicly named.

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[Deleted User]

Strazdas wrote: »

And why not go after drug dealers in the same manner? I would imagine that would be ripe territory for a sting, in fact far easier to set up than one on paedophiles.

Because dealers generally sell to adults who have full responsibilities for their actions. Children don't.

[Deleted User]

wakka12 wrote: »

All fair enough, but why pretend to be children? Why not try to track down actual paedophile groups that are currently abusing children as we speak, and trying to save them?
Rather than ensnaring brain dead 50 year olds on the internet who are deluded enough to think a 13 year old girl wants to sleep with them
I won't say what they're doing is 'bad' or useless, but they're not the gods gift to society youre making them out to be

I'm not making them out to be God's gift. They have a cause for concern and they're acting on it in a legal way. Not all of these abusers or would-be abusers are brain dead either, chap from this topic has (well, had) a fairly high up job and travelled a lot for instance. There's no one type of predator. Could be any range of age or social standing.

Anyway, if they tried to track down active pedophile rings, you'd have the same people saying they should leave it to the police.

Strazdas

wakka12 wrote: »

All fair enough, but why pretend to be children? Why not try to track down actual paedophile groups that are currently abusing children as we speak, and trying to save them?
Rather than ensnaring brain dead 50 year olds on the internet who are deluded enough to think a 13 year old girl wants to sleep with them
I won't say what they're doing is 'bad' or useless, but they're not the gods gift to society youre making them out to be

And why not go after drug dealers in the same manner? I would imagine that would be ripe territory for a sting, in fact far easier to set up than one on paedophiles.

[Deleted User]

Open to correction on this but I think you're allowed to hold someone who is suspected of committing a crime. So I dunno if it's officially called Citizen's Arrest but I think that's the powers the likes of security guards and such have. I'm not 100% on that but it's my understanding. Happy to be educated on it.

wakka12

Omackeral wrote: »

A multitude of reasons

-Probably because they are sick to the back teeth of cases involving children being defiled, like most decent folks are.
- Perhaps they know of people's children who have been harmed or potentially were going to be harmed. Maybe they themselves were targets as kids.
- Possibly because the police aren't doing enough or can't do enough.
- Or maybe they just hate sexual predators and they have the actual balls to go confront them and turn them over to the authorities with relevant evidence.

All fair enough, but why pretend to be children? Why not try to track down actual paedophile groups that are currently abusing children as we speak, and trying to save them?
Rather than ensnaring brain dead 50 year olds on the internet who are deluded enough to think a 13 year old girl wants to sleep with them
I won't say what they're doing is 'bad' or useless, but they're not the gods gift to society youre making them out to be

[Deleted User]

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

Where is there a drogheda one?

Drogheda.

deco nate

Avatar MIA wrote: »

I think there might be in the UK, but nothing specific in the ROI.

From the video posted last night from silent justice ireland, yes their is a 1997 act

mada82

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

Where is there a drogheda one?

Check out the silent justice Facebook page

Avatar MIA

mada82 wrote: »

Is there really such a thing as citizens arrest?

I think there might be in the UK, but nothing specific in the ROI.

[Deleted User]

end of the road wrote: »

Why would these 10 random people be happy to go out of their way to pretend to be a child exactly? at least in the police's case they get paid for it and it's part of their job description, but what person would want to go out of their way to pretend to be a child, especially for free? if i'm honest it's actually disturbing that someone would be happy to do that. whatever about it being part of the job and being paid for it.

A multitude of reasons

-Probably because they are sick to the back teeth of cases involving children being defiled, like most decent folks are.
- Perhaps they know of people's children who have been harmed or potentially were going to be harmed. Maybe they themselves were targets as kids.
- Possibly because the police aren't doing enough or can't do enough.
- Or maybe they just hate sexual predators and they have the actual balls to go confront them and turn them over to the authorities with relevant evidence.

Flippyfloppy

mada82 wrote: »

Is there really such a thing as citizens arrest?
Is the video really usable in court? Surely you could argue you were in fear for your life?

Any way those Drogheda one were creepy especially that Niall one.

Where is there a drogheda one?

deco nate

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

The police "not being able" to do enough? One person could easily operate 50 sock puppet Facebook accounts from behind a desk - they were happy to do this against groups like Occupy and Anonymous. They're perfectly capable, they just don't bother.

They do, they just don't stream it. They then investigate the alleged paedophile to see if he has any links to other paedophiles

mada82

Is there really such a thing as citizens arrest?
Is the video really usable in court? Surely you could argue you were in fear for your life?

Any way those Drogheda one were creepy especially that Niall one.

[Deleted User]

Neil Issagum wrote: »

I’ve often seen comments on YouTube defending them, did not think I would see that here! Shocking really

Neil, people on here will defend just about anything my man. Some of whom are on this thread.

[Deleted User]

end of the road wrote: »

these groups aren't needed full stop. the police not being able to do enough doesn't justify these groups existing.

Well it seems they bloody well are. This fella would've still been carrying on today if it weren't for these guys.

end of the road wrote: »

these groups have chosen to get involved in this for the attention.

If that's true, which you can't prove either way Mr Proofseeker, so what? It highlights these dangerous predators for what they are, opportune would-be rapists. Of course you'll see a negative in that though.

[Deleted User]

gozunda wrote: »

He hasnt shown what he has said is correct either ....

He's the very same poster who cries ''proof proof'' when the shoe is on the other foot. I just knew he'd be against this in one way another. Chap is forever saying ''if you know something, inform the authorities.'' These guys actually have. They've done that from the off. They probably are sick to death of sh*t like this happening in their country so they took a well researched, pro-active and legal method of combating it. They gave the perp no chance of a tip off so that he could cover his tracks and now everyone that knows of him knows he's a dirty nonce in the making and not to leave their kids near him. Bravo.

gozunda

sabat wrote: »

It would be extremely easy to destroy someone's life using these vigilantes. What's to stop someone taking your photos off social media, setting up a fake account to chat to adolescents, then using some false pretext to have you at the rendezvous? You'd be announced as a paedophile to the whole world before you could even say wtf, I thought I was meeting Bob for a pint?

It's extremely easy for one of these predators to destroy a child's life ... children being children are vulnerable. Adults at least should have some sense of right and wrong. Unfortunately not all do ...

20Cent

Pedo hunter coming up on Claire Byrne live now. Might answer some of the questions being asked about them here.

Outlaw Pete

Spongebob was entrapped.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1cpq0IQJO4

sabat

It would be extremely easy to destroy someone's life using these vigilantes. What's to stop someone taking your photos off social media, setting up a fake account to chat to adolescents, then using some false pretext to have you at the rendezvous? You'd be announced as a paedophile to the whole world before you could even say wtf, I thought I was meeting Bob for a pint?

J Mysterio

LionelNashe wrote: »

He's hoping Ross Kemp will see the video and ask him to be mates.

I had to laugh at his TV-cop-drama-inspired interrogation technique, and also when they asked the guy if he realised that what he had done was wrong, and would he agree not to do it again if they let him go, and then they said "Tough, we're not letting you go." His heart must have broke.

I think he's been watching Dog the Bounty Hunter. Ol' Dog would always go in all metaphorical guns blazing... and then have a heart to heart with the perp, before sticking them in the slammer.

gozunda

end of the road wrote: »

and as asked earlier in the thread, why would these 10 random people be happy to go out of their way to pretend to be a child exactly? at least in the police's case they get paid for it and it's part of their job description, but what person would want to go out of their way to pretend to be a child, especially for free? if i'm honest it's actually disturbing that someone would be happy to do that. whatever about it being part of the job and being paid for it.

Perhaps it's as simple that one or more of these people have been directly or indirectly impacted by such behaviour? Or perhaps its just a willingness to devote time and effort to help control a criminal activity which destroys children's lives?

end of the road wrote: »

Chief Constable Simon Bailey realised that it may be better to work with these groups to keep them on side and insure his staff can do their job without trouble. i completely understand his point of view. these so-called "anti paedophile" groupps ultimately care about 1 thing and it's not being anti paedophile.

Please elaborate on you assertion as bolded. From the figures I detailed the anti paedophile groups appear to have a significant role in provisioning evidence for the purpose of conviction of child sex offenders. That is signifigantly 'anti - paedophile' in my opinion ...

Avatar MIA

S.L.F. wrote: »

The amount of male predators of young men and women in positions of power who have been highlighted in the media is alarming.

I too blame the glass ceiling for women.

Hannibal_Smith

keith_sixteen wrote: »

Let's just get rid of the police then completely in that case.

Yeah, cause thats exactly what I said :rolleyes:

keith_sixteen

Hannibal_Smith wrote: »

Vigilantes trap a fella who has planned to meet up with a 13 year old. Naughty vigilantes. If they're wrong, they're wrong, it'll come out in the wash. If they're right, look at what they've caught! But don't focus on that....focus on those naughty vigilantes :rolleyes:

Let's just get rid of the police then completely in that case.

S.L.F.

GingerLily wrote: »

I know I'm late to the game - but I'd like to "lambast" you - I am female.

It's nothing personal but I just hate sexist sweeping statements - it doesn't nothing to help victims of sexual predators.

The woman is stating her opinion on the topic, I for one don't believe she intended for it to be sexist sweeping statement but rather a reflection of a very topical subject that is coming to light lately in the news.

The amount of male predators of young men and women in positions of power who have been highlighted in the media is alarming.

I for one support Spanish Eyes and guess what I am female.

Hannibal_Smith

Vigilantes trap a fella who has planned to meet up with a 13 year old. Naughty vigilantes. If they're wrong, they're wrong, it'll come out in the wash. If they're right, look at what they've caught! But don't focus on that....focus on those naughty vigilantes :rolleyes:

hatrickpatrick

end of the road wrote: »

these groups aren't needed full stop. the police not being able to do enough doesn't justify these groups existing. these groups have chosen to get involved in this for the attention.

The police "not being able" to do enough? One person could easily operate 50 sock puppet Facebook accounts from behind a desk - they were happy to do this against groups like Occupy and Anonymous. They're perfectly capable, they just don't bother.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

tonycascarino wrote: »

I cannot for the life of me understand why some people have issues with these anti paedo groups. If you are not a dirty paedo then what do you have to worry about?

I think these groups are doing us a great service in catching out the human scum of this world.

Personally, I've no problem with them as long as they don't use entrapment and don't get envolved themselves physically - just take the evidence to the police.

end of the road

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

Time and resources would be my guess..

10 'vigilantes are probably happy to do shifts fishing with the fake profiles on their own time without getting paid... now imagine asking cops to do the same... id say theres overtime pay and working hours issues....

and as asked earlier in the thread, why would these 10 random people be happy to go out of their way to pretend to be a child exactly? at least in the police's case they get paid for it and it's part of their job description, but what person would want to go out of their way to pretend to be a child, especially for free? if i'm honest it's actually disturbing that someone would be happy to do that. whatever about it being part of the job and being paid for it.

gozunda wrote: »

Summary:
Eotr does not like anti paedophile groups...(suprise!)

Just to counter what was said above

Despite historic reluctance by the police to engage with these groups ...

Source: https://www.irishcentral.com/news/journalist-charged-uk-sexual-activity-child

Like it or not it would appear that these groups are making some signifiant impacts with regard to the collection and use of evidence in relevant court cases

Chief Constable Simon Bailey realised that it may be better to work with these groups to keep them on side and insure his staff can do their job without trouble. i completely understand his point of view. these so-called "anti paedophile" groupps ultimately care about 1 thing and it's not being anti paedophile.