end of the road wrote: » whether it's a result or not isn't in dispute. what is being told is that the likes of the groups involved in this cannot be trusted. that is a fact, and one which i stand by. he's not wrong though.
Vlad Kelly wrote: » I don't understand the backlash against these so called vigilante groups. While they do appear to be slightly disgusting people in their manner and speech patterns, there's no doubt that these kind of well publicised stings serve as an example to evil people who may wish to commit these kinds of crimes. The police can only devote a limited amount of time to any particular area, so if the public can help out in clear cut cases like this I can only wish them luck.
Dr Brown wrote: » These people are no more "vigilantes" than your local neighbourhood watch group. They are just pro active concerned citizens.
Vlad Kelly wrote: » there's no doubt that these kind of well publicised stings serve as an example to evil people who may wish to commit these kinds of crimes.
hatrickpatrick wrote: » My view on vigilantes has always been the same - if law enforcement did their jobs then there wouldn't be any need for them. Why weren't the cops the ones operating the decoy minor profiles? Why does it fall to civilians to catch these f*ckers?
Rekop dog wrote: » I'd be against entrapment in most forms but when used to catch potential predators such as him it's a very good method and I'm all for it.
hatrickpatrick wrote: » Why weren't the cops the ones operating the decoy minor profiles?
anna080 wrote: » He probably doesn't have access to it
flatty wrote: » I watched about a minute of that video. Everyone in it made my skin crawl. That is all.
end of the road wrote: » not true i'm afraid. there is no evidence what soever to state that these type of actions have any effect on such criminality. in fact, there is evidence to say that it drives such individuals underground, which is very dangerous and concerning. these groups aren't needed full stop. the police not being able to do enough doesn't justify these groups existing. these groups have chosen to get involved in this for the attention. (They are) concerned about facebook likes.
...the BBC revealed that 44% of prosecutions in 2016 for the crime of meeting a child after sexual grooming in England, Wales and Northern Ireland used vigilante evidence - up from 11% in 2011. Chief Constable Simon Bailey, who works as the national lead for child protection, admitted, “I think [working with them]'s something we're going to have to potentially have to look at, yes, but it comes with some real complexity."
Avatar MIA wrote: » That's a minute more than I could watch. I find it hard to have much sympathy for him, but I don't want to witness it either.
Neil Issagum wrote: » The way he kept saying ‘guys’ ‘guys....listen’ to the people that caught him he sounded like Louis walsh No offense to Louis
tonycascarino wrote: » I cannot for the life of me understand why some people have issues with these anti paedo groups. If you are not a dirty paedo then what do you have to worry about? I think these groups are doing us a great service in catching out the human scum of this world.
foxatron wrote: » I never knew a nonce was a kiddy fiddler until I saw that video. Ive been using it in the wrong context all these years!
GT_TDI_150 wrote: » Time and resources would be my guess.. 10 'vigilantes are probably happy to do shifts fishing with the fake profiles on their own time without getting paid... now imagine asking cops to do the same... id say theres overtime pay and working hours issues....
gozunda wrote: » Summary: Eotr does not like anti paedophile groups...(suprise!) Just to counter what was said above Despite historic reluctance by the police to engage with these groups ... Source: https://www.irishcentral.com/news/journalist-charged-uk-sexual-activity-child Like it or not it would appear that these groups are making some signifiant impacts with regard to the collection and use of evidence in relevant court cases
end of the road wrote: » these groups aren't needed full stop. the police not being able to do enough doesn't justify these groups existing. these groups have chosen to get involved in this for the attention.
GingerLily wrote: » I know I'm late to the game - but I'd like to "lambast" you - I am female. It's nothing personal but I just hate sexist sweeping statements - it doesn't nothing to help victims of sexual predators.
Hannibal_Smith wrote: » Vigilantes trap a fella who has planned to meet up with a 13 year old. Naughty vigilantes. If they're wrong, they're wrong, it'll come out in the wash. If they're right, look at what they've caught! But don't focus on that....focus on those naughty vigilantes :rolleyes:
