Malayalam wrote: » It should probably be career destroying. One would surely tell a child that if a teacher puts their hands inside their pants that this is wrong, and that teacher should lose their job. One would surely tell a teenager that if the coach put their hand inside their underwear that this is sexual assault and that coach should lose their job. Surely you would say to your friend home from work in the office whose boss or colleague has put their hand inside their underpants that this is assault and that the one who did it should lose their job. If it happened on the bus or the luas or in the queue for the grocery checkout then the person who did it should be prosecuted for sexual assault. Cheesus, it's not that hard. People should not insert their hands into other people's knickers uninvited.
Beechwoodspark wrote: » You seem to be extremely tolerant about sexual harassment/sexual assault.Most people are not. Most people are disgusted and repelled by the allegations.
LadyMacBeth_ wrote: » There is a massive difference between child abuse and the groping of another adult.
Swanner wrote: » Who made you spokesperson for "most people" ? Most people I know couldn't give 2 flucks..
M5 wrote: » I guess Jimmy Saville can now be pardoned, as he too could be described as having a flamboyant personality?
Balmed Out wrote: » Hold on now, comparing this in any way to Jimmy Saville is ridiculous. Saville was an all out sexual predator with a preference for children and those that could not give their consent. He was a sick twisted and evil individual. Porter is very young and younger still when these events occurred. Id be of the opinion that most 'celebrities' and comedians are fairly insecure individuals attracted to fame and making people laugh to try to validate their own self worth. He allegedly sexually assaulted some individuals in the manner of someone who didnt understand how to relate to other people correctly through flirting etc - they all attest that he stopped when asked to. Ive been on the receiving end of this from men and women and havent thought too much about it beyond feeling pity for the person and perhaps an insult under my breath as i walked away. He didn't rape anyone this is not in any way comparable to Jimmy Saville, Harvey Weinstein etc etc. Is this being investigated by the guards? If I felt myself to be the victim of abuse that's where I would go, not to twitter. This level of abuse shouldn't take four years to gather the strength to come forward either, smacks to me of a bunch of jealous peers who didn't like his success and wanted to take him down a peg. From seeing him on tv a few times I would be in no way surprised if there wasn't some truth in the allegations but I'd bet my two front teeth that a person who goes to tweet rather then the guarda station is likely to add legs to a tale too.
Balmed Out wrote: » M5 wrote: » I guess Jimmy Saville can now be pardoned, as he too could be described as having a flamboyant personality? Hold on now, comparing this in any way to Jimmy Saville is ridiculous. Saville was an all out sexual predator with a preference for children and those that could not give their consent. He was a sick twisted and evil individual. Porter is very young and younger still when these events occurred. Id be of the opinion that most 'celebrities' and comedians are fairly insecure individuals attracted to fame and making people laugh to try to validate their own self worth. He allegedly sexually assaulted some individuals in the manner of someone who didnt understand how to relate to other people correctly through flirting etc - they all attest that he stopped when asked to. Ive been on the receiving end of this from men and women and havent thought too much about it beyond feeling pity for the person and perhaps an insult under my breath as i walked away. He didn't rape anyone this is not in any way comparable to Jimmy Saville, Harvey Weinstein etc etc. Is this being investigated by the guards? If I felt myself to be the victim of abuse that's where I would go, not to twitter. This level of abuse shouldn't take four years to gather the strength to come forward either, smacks to me of a bunch of jealous peers who didn't like his success and wanted to take him down a peg. From seeing him on tv a few times I would be in no way surprised if there wasn't some truth in the allegations but I'd bet my two front teeth that a person who goes to tweet rather then the guarda station is likely to add legs to a tale too.
Malayalam wrote: » At what age do they transition to it being okay? You mentioned being very young in your grope experiences. So, I can tell my twelve year old that they should wait to 16 to be groped. 18? That at 20 if someone puts their hand down your drawers you should lighten up about it. As someone who was once trapped in a locked train carriage alone with a deranged inividual furiously masturbating at them, I'm just grateful he did not actually touch me, and did not think that an oul fumble inside my underwear would hardly add much insult to the escapade. Meh.
Beechwoodspark wrote: » The savile comparison came about due to the allegation regarding porter sexually assaulting a patient in a mental health facility. I think the victim was in hospital recovering from depression. The Sunday times covered it yesterday.
professore wrote: » Are you from that Kerry town where they celebrated that rapist caught on camera? It certainly sounds like the same thought process.
Balmed Out wrote: » Haven't read it but would I be correct that as I understand it there are / were no complaints made to the Guards or the hospital and he himself denies it? If yes I would tend to ignore.
seamus wrote: » Thing is, he didn't actually deny it. He gave a classic, "I'm sorry if I offended anyone" statement. In a perfect world, this would be read as a nice person being genuinely concerned that someone was offended, rather than admitting to having done anything. However in the modern world we know this is a roundabout way of saying, "Yeah I did that, but I didn't think I was doing anything wrong". If you're looking for an example of a denial, George Takei is a better one. He just flat out denied the allegation, and it goes away. And that's because in order to issue a denial you need to be pretty sure that the incident didn't occur. If you deny an allegation and more evidence comes out, then you may as well start digging your own grave. This is why a nonpology with no flat denial is usually taken as an admittance, not necessarily of criminal guilt, but at least that the incidents occurred.
jooksavage wrote: » Mark Tighe of the Sunday Times was very moved by the individual in the hospital. The chap was in there because of acute depression and extreme weight loss - very bad shape to be subjected to what has been alleged. Interestingly, when presented with this guys account, Al's people threatened an injunction and an on-the-record rebuttal from another well-known personality but in the end, neither materialised and they didn't even release a statement.
Beechwoodspark wrote: » When people see those details it is quite shocking that other people are seeking to downplay the seriousness of the allegations.
LadyMacBeth_ wrote: » I've heard of him recently but never watched any of his comedy. I'm female and I've been groped in clubs and situations like that. I wouldn't really consider it to be sexual assault, more like nuisance behaviour from an arsehole. I've definitely groped guys too though, I mean I haven't grabbed a randomer's dick while walking around the place but I have groped guys I've been chatting to while drunk when I was younger, never considered what I was doing to be sexual assault and never had any complaints. Al Porter just seems to be a bit of an idiot, and putting your hand down someone's pants is a step too far but I don't think it should be career destroying.
AnneFrank wrote: » why didn't any of them deck him ?
jack hackett wrote: » Having said that, its hard not to feel (no pun intended) a bit sorry for Alan Kavanagh, he was on the crest of a wave, radio show, tv show, all his panto and comedy gigs and now his career is destroyed forever, no media outlet will touch him now and his panto career is ruined, they cant let a sex pest out in front of kids
