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prawnsambo

Apparently North Korea have sentenced Donald Trump to death for insulting their glorious leader.

I was never in favour of the death penalty, but now I'm torn.

Sephiral

mfceiling wrote: »

I don't want to sound like a smart arse but are most of these lads on a minimum of 25 - 30 grand a week?

Why can they not execute the basic skills? Crossing the ball - goes waist height for 10 metres. Taking a shot at goal - ball gets belted 10 feet wide and 10 feet high. Pass to team mate - ball ends up being too far in front of player.

Surely to God these lads must have the basic skills or they wouldn't get to where they are. Should a professional footballer not hit the target with at least 90% of his efforts and not the 10% that seems to be the norm?

Would we accept the same mediocrity from the rugby lads if say our out half had a 40% ratio off the tee?

I've only ever played Gaelic with top level players - think multiple All Star winners. What separates them is the pace they are able to execute skills at. Athleticism and technical ability both come into it, but almost all players have a ceiling where they are held back for some reason. Typically, you need a high degree of athleticism and solid technical ability to keep advancing up the levels.

Edit: Forgot to mention what I am getting it is the Danes are simply better footballers. For me, the only Irish players who could potentially play for a top ten team in the PL are Coleman and McCarthy if his development had panned out a bit better. Brady has the technical ability, but not the physical attributions.

mfceiling

I shouldn't really be having a go at the ROI players for lack of skills. You even see it in the premiership....shots on goal 15, shots on target 3. Good players not being able to drop a decent ball in to the box. You'd imagine it should be like second nature to almost cross a ball or put in a corner to almost the exact same spot every time?

Sephiral

mfceiling wrote: »

I shouldn't really be having a go at the ROI players for lack of skills. You even see it in the premiership....shots on goal 15, shots on target 3. Good players not being able to drop a decent ball in to the box. You'd imagine it should be like second nature to almost cross a ball or put in a corner to almost the exact same spot every time?

I'd back myself to do that pretty regularly. I wouldn't back myself to do it while running at 80% speed, with someone coming to pressure me after thirty minutes of intense aerobic exercise.

molloyjh

Sephiral wrote: »

I'd back myself to do that pretty regularly. I wouldn't back myself to do it while running at 80% speed, with someone coming to pressure me after thirty minutes of intense aerobic exercise.

How many football players are playing the ball at 80% speed though? How many are at the pace putting a cross in? Very few I'd say. And surely the whole point of being a professional sportsperson is to be able to execute under pressure?

errlloyd

Too level footballers miss penalties. Top level golfers miss fairways. Top level out halves miss touch. When everything you do is done at maximum power sometimes you miss.

I really don't like watching football, but footballers are great athletes, close to the top of a game that is very competitive.

molloyjh

errlloyd wrote: »

Too level footballers miss penalties. Top level golfers miss fairways. Top level out halves miss touch. When everything you do is done at maximum power sometimes you miss.

I really don't like watching football, but footballers are great athletes, close to the top of a game that is very competitive.

I don’t think anyone is looking for 100%, just wondering why the % is relatively low for soccer in general.

prawnsambo

molloyjh wrote: »

I don’t think anyone is looking for 100%, just wondering why the % is relatively low for soccer in general.

The weight of the ball is part of it I think. Even really good free takers can often miss with all the time they need to connect. A very slight inaccuracy in where the ball is struck could send it into the stands instead of the goal.

stephen_n

I don't watch much football anymore, but the little bits I've seen of Ireland over the last two years, it is amazing how technically poor they are, close control and one touch football seems non existent in the team. You'd have to wonder how when there are more kids playing than ever, we are failing to produce players that we did in the late 80's and early 90's. It shouldn't be that much to expect a professional player to have the ability to take a ball down and pass it to one of his team mates, but at times Ireland seem to be able to go a couple of minutes without holding on to the ball for more than one or two passes. Maybe it's cyclical and they are going through what rugby did in the 90's, hope so for the sake of Irish football fans.

awec

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42009839

The Japanese are mad.

awec

:pac: :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXZlJGoK78A

irishbucsfan

In my head awec just spent the last 4 hours looking up videos of Japan on youtube

molloyjh

What in God’s name did I just watch!?

prawnsambo

molloyjh wrote: »

What in God’s name did I just watch!?

It was just an ordinary horse race. What did you see? :pac:

Don Kiddick

So, Sylvester Stallone is the latest star to be accused of sexual impropriety.....I think an old poster on here called Molester Stallone knew more than he was telling!!

molloyjh

Don Kiddick wrote: »

So, Sylvester Stallone is the latest star to be accused of sexual impropriety.....I think an old poster on here called Molester Stallone knew more than he was telling!!

Or potentially telling more than he knew......

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awec

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL4HSk4MUUw

Japan has the best game shows.

thomond2006

Takeshi's Castle

Scythica

George hook was on the Nolan show there in a car v cycle debate.

The man is deranged. Had never really seen him before (UK based) but wow..

[Deleted User]

awec wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL4HSk4MUUw

Japan has the best game shows.

2.50 was my favourite. Really tried.

[Deleted User]

Scythica wrote: »

George hook was on the Nolan show there in a car v cycle debate.

The man is deranged. Had never really seen him before (UK based) but wow..

If it's like what he has said before it's not just deranged it's dangerous.

He normalises aggressive treatment of cyclists on the road and as someone who commutes daily on a bike it's bad enough as is.

All road users have the capacity to do stupid things. I see it from motorists, cyclists and pedestrians. The common denominator is stupidity, not the means of transport.

I really had hoped his blaming of rape victims would be the end of him in the public arena but I guess not.

molloyjh

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If it's like what he has said before it's not just deranged it's dangerous.

He normalises aggressive treatment of cyclists on the road and as someone who commutes daily on a bike it's bad enough as is.

All road users have the capacity to do stupid things. I see it from motorists, cyclists and pedestrians. The common denominator is stupidity, not the means of transport.

I really had hoped his blaming of rape victims would be the end of him in the public arena but I guess not.

As someone who commutes through Dublin every day I can safely say that cyclists are the single worst road users out there. Especially those Dublin bike people and a lot of couriers. I know that's a serious statement, but for every idiot motorist or pedestrian I've seen I reckon I've seen about 2 or 3 idiot cyclists. There are plenty of law abiding and decent cyclists out there, but the number of terrible ones is something that has baffled me for some time.

Pedestrians will walk out onto the road when they don't have the lights going their way which can be stupid. Cyclists will do the same. They will cycle through red lights when it suits. The number of times I've had the right of way but had to stop to avoid getting hit by a cyclist is crazy. However pedestrians will almost never walk on the road, nor will motorists drive on the footpath. Yet cyclists will cycle in cycle lanes, on the road when there are cycle lanes, the wrong way on one way roads and on the footpath. It's almost like they think they have all the rights of a motorist combined with all the rights of a pedestrian.

I feel sorry for decent cyclists in this country as it really isn't set up for cyclists in most places. But when it comes to commuting in the city there are far too many of them that can simply just FRO with themselves.

awec

Cyclists don't use the cycle lanes for good reason, they are often quite dangerous and all too often just abrubtly end randomly causing confusion. Safer to stay on the road.

thomond2006

Helmets should be mandatory for cyclists.

Discuss.

Bridge93

I never understood why there isn’t some sort of test to be allowed cycle on the road, be it theory or practical. 99% of bad drivers are just pricks who know they’re doing wrong. The amount of cyclists who just seem oblivious to the rules of the road or that they apply to cyclists is shocking

Bridge93

thomond2006 wrote: »

Helmets should be mandatory for cyclists.

Discuss.

Absolutely

Buer

Cyclist's behaviour in Ireland is cultural. Many of us in cars complain about their behaviour on the road but, when we're on a bike, we do just the same. Ireland never took cycling as a serious method of transport. It was a way for kids to get from A to B and lots of people were taught to stay on the footpath when young. There isn't a clear break between pedestrian and road user and that has now filtered into how people conduct themselves as adults whilst commuting. Pedestrian crossings are used, footpaths are used (much less rarely), red lights are ignored in the same way pedestrians jaywalk.

So, I do think cyclists definitely take far more liberties than motorists, I reckon it's a cultural thing and with the lack of cycling infrastructure or teaching of correct road behaviour when kids it was always going to be the way. Anyone who knows how to ride a bike and learned in their local park is completely ok to hop on their bike and cycle down the quays in rush hour and many will behave in the same way.

[Deleted User]

molloyjh wrote: »

As someone who commutes through Dublin every day I can safely say that cyclists are the single worst road users out there. Especially those Dublin bike people and a lot of couriers. I know that's a serious statement, but for every idiot motorist or pedestrian I've seen I reckon I've seen about 2 or 3 idiot cyclists. There are plenty of law abiding and decent cyclists out there, but the number of terrible ones is something that has baffled me for some time.

Pedestrians will walk out onto the road when they don't have the lights going their way which can be stupid. Cyclists will do the same. They will cycle through red lights when it suits. The number of times I've had the right of way but had to stop to avoid getting hit by a cyclist is crazy. However pedestrians will almost never walk on the road, nor will motorists drive on the footpath. Yet cyclists will cycle in cycle lanes, on the road when there are cycle lanes, the wrong way on one way roads and on the footpath. It's almost like they think they have all the rights of a motorist combined with all the rights of a pedestrian.

I feel sorry for decent cyclists in this country as it really isn't set up for cyclists in most places. But when it comes to commuting in the city there are far too many of them that can simply just FRO with themselves.

I appreciate your perspective and accept this is your experience.

However, I think a lot of people ignore bad behaviour behind the wheel because it's either predictable or just accepted.

I know the Gardai have released statistics which are contrary to your own observations, but as a basic exercise I'd suggest you go and stand at a junction for 20 minutes and count the number of cars as opposed to bikes breaking red lights. I think you will be surprised.

Cyclists are more blatant for sure but motorists are equally careless in my experience.

[Deleted User]

thomond2006 wrote: »

Helmets should be mandatory for cyclists.

Discuss.

Helmets and lights should be mandatory. I don't understand people who don't use them at all.

pickarooney

Helmets are pretty much useless.