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Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread VIII - MOD NOTE POST #4781

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Former Former

Buer wrote: »

Jesus. Was that a smug rhetorical question to nobody or was somebody available to actually correct his ignorance?

Worrying that he's actually hosted rugby coverage.

Nah it was just thrown onto the end of the sports news bulletins.

I really dislike Cooper as a rugby host, but I presume he's doing the TV3 Six Nations coverage.

typhoony

connachta wrote: »

For those who said he's no-where near the Irish squad
TADGH’S TURNOVERS
Tadgh Beirne was at it again this weekend for the Scarlets as they were made to work hard before eventually downing Benetton Rugby.
Beirne – who is returning to Ireland next season – has now made 17 turnovers for the defending champions, no other player in the league has more than eight.

Using the same principle from Zebo's omission but in reverse surely Tadgh Beirne now qualifies to be selected this season having signed with Munster for next

prawnsambo

typhoony wrote: »

Using the same principle from Zebo's omission but in reverse surely Tadgh Beirne now qualifies to be selected this season having signed with Munster for next

It doesn't work like that.

Availability isn't built in to Beirne's current contract, so he'd be missing at vital times.

[Deleted User]

typhoony wrote: »

Using the same principle from Zebo's omission but in reverse surely Tadgh Beirne now qualifies to be selected this season having signed with Munster for next

England did it with Teo didn't they?

irishbucsfan

connemara man wrote: »

England did it with Teo didn't they?

He didn't play for England until he had left Leinster, it was that summer tour

connachta

typhoony wrote: »

connachta wrote: »

For those who said he's no-where near the Irish squad
TADGH’S TURNOVERS
Tadgh Beirne was at it again this weekend for the Scarlets as they were made to work hard before eventually downing Benetton Rugby.
Beirne – who is returning to Ireland next season – has now made 17 turnovers for the defending champions, no other player in the league has more than eight.

Using the same principle from Zebo's omission but in reverse surely Tadgh Beirne now qualifies to be selected this season having signed with Munster for next

That was the point I've made. At least for summer tour

prawnsambo

connachta wrote: »

That was the point I've made. At least for summer tour

You weren't talking about the suumer tour initially. That's a bit more likely but would depend on what his commitments to Scarlets are.

Squidgy Black

Is there really a huge demand for Beirne with the national squad at the moment though? Henderson, Treadwell, Toner, Ryan and Dillane is probably the strongest depth we've ever had at the position so I don't think they'll be too quick to catapult him into the setup.

prawnsambo

_Tyrrell_ wrote: »

Is there really a huge demand for Beirne with the national squad at the moment though? Henderson, Treadwell, Toner, Ryan and Dillane is probably the strongest depth we've ever had at the position so I don't think they'll be too quick to catapult him into the setup.

There's always room for another lock. We've had injuries in the back row which, even with the riches at our disposal have had us down to the bare minimum.

[Deleted User]

You'd think Beirne has some divine right to be in the squad. Combined with availability issues, it's just another immaterial point to whinge about really.

mfceiling

Former Former wrote: »

I really dislike Cooper as a rugby host, but I presume he's doing the TV3 Six Nations coverage.

If he could wait 1 second for the guest to speak would be a start....

"Well joe why was our scrum so poor in the 1st half"

"If you look at the angle of our tight head matt"

Interrupts

"Why is his angle wrong tony"

"I think when he sets himself for the hit that..."

Interrupts

"Why is he setting himself like that joe"

Give them a fcuking chance to speak cooper.

connachta

prawnsambo wrote: »

connachta wrote: »

That was the point I've made. At least for summer tour

You weren't talking about the suumer tour initially. That's a bit more likely but would depend on what his commitments to Scarlets are.

I've said at least.

irishbucsfan

prawnsambo wrote: »

You weren't talking about the suumer tour initially. That's a bit more likely but would depend on what his commitments to Scarlets are.

Well not really because WR rules mean he has to be available for the tour.

But with summer tours what its more likely going to be dependent on is his fitness. So many guys end up hurt by that stage of the season.

Burkie1203

connachta wrote: »

That was the point I've made. At least for summer tour

Summer tour is different to now tho. He would be fully available from when the season ends. So there would be a chance to integrate at the same pace as everyone else there.

I wonder how Beirne will fare next season and how much the way scarlets play suits him and if the change to a different style at munster will give him a chance to shine

Neil3030

Former Former wrote: »

Matt Cooper wades into the Neil Francis/Bundee Aki debate.

"And where was Rhys Ruddock born, hmmmm?"

That would be Dublin, Matt.

In Cooper's eyes that would probably disqualify you more from playing for Ireland, than if you were born in Auckland.

irishfan9

Cooper is up there with the best munster conspiracy theroists

stephen_n

bilston wrote: »

So BS flanker, one wing spot and maybe a centre spot up for grabs. The rest seems nailed on.

O'Mahony v Ruddock
McCloskey v Aki
D.Kearney v Stockdale v Conway

Will Joe throw in a surprise?

Ryan to bench?

Interested Observer wrote: »

I'd have much more issue with Dave Kearney starting than Aki anyway.

As per usual nearly the entire team picks itself.

Former Former wrote: »

I wouldn't rule McCloskey out of the 23 jersey. Between him, Conway and DK I'd guess.

Dave Kearney and Sweetman were released back to their provinces today.

irishbucsfan

Conway and Stockdale in the 23 then I reckon. I'm happy with that either way.

Former Former

stephen_n wrote: »

Dave Kearney and Sweetman were released back to their provinces today.

Hah? Really?

prawnsambo

Former Former wrote: »

Hah? Really?

Is that what passes for outrage now? I'm outraged! :mad:

Burkie1203

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Conway and Stockdale in the 23 then I reckon. I'm happy with that either way.

Tight 5
McGrath, Best, Furlong, Toner, Henderson

Backline
Murray, sexton, stockdale, henshaw, aki, Earls, Kearney

Backrow is likely to be POM, SoB, Stander but its not something I would be sure of. Its possible we see either Ruddock or Conan start.

Bench
Healy, Tracy, Ryan, Dillane, Ruddock/Conan
Marmion, Carbery, Conway

irishbucsfan

Wait a minute... released back to the provinces for what...?

And aren't Leinster/Munster lads on holiday this week? Some of them are for sure

[Deleted User]

If that's the team:

Bit nervous of Carbery playing 10 and having to kick if the unthinkable happens, because he's done neither this season. There'll be some complaints about Kearney but with Payne out and Zebo omitted it's probably the right call.

Really happy Stockdale is starting, Dave Kearney would have been unjustifiable. Having experience doesn't make up for barely having put in a performance for about 2 seasons (injury a lot to blame but doesn't matter, he hasn't been playing).

The backrow is a pure reputation pick. None have played especially well this season, or have played much at all in SOB's case. All need big games to justify their spots.

[Deleted User]

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Wait a minute... released back to the provinces for what...?

And aren't Leinster/Munster lads on holiday this week? Some of them are for sure

Yeah sure Dave is having a mad night with Rob, few scoops and then repaint the attic #lads_on_the_lash

Rob%201%20Dave%20Kearney%20.jpg

Burkie1203

Interested Observer wrote: »

If that's the team:

Bit nervous of Carbery playing 10 and having to kick if the unthinkable happens, because he's done neither this season. There'll be some complaints about Kearney but with Payne out and Zebo omitted it's probably the right call.

Really happy Stockdale is starting, Dave Kearney would have been unjustifiable. Having experience doesn't make up for barely having put in a performance for about 2 seasons (injury a lot to blame but doesn't matter, he hasn't been playing).

The backrow is a pure reputation pick. None have played especially well this season, or have played much at all in SOB's case. All need big games to justify their spots.

That team is guesswork but if DK and Sweetnam are back at provinces then coupled with last weekends releases its narrowed down a bit.

SOB has come straight back in before after only 1 or 2 appearances and delivered. POM and Stander have been fairly quiet this season so far. Ruddock has been very good so far this season and would be unlucky to miss out on a start. Its the one area that there is a big call to be made really

irishbucsfan

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah sure Dave is having a mad night with Rob, few scoops and then repaint the attic #lads_on_the_lash

Don't forget

https://twitter.com/boringkearney/status/927851711309451264

The Rape of Lucretia

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah sure Dave is having a mad night with Rob, few scoops and then repaint the attic #lads_on_the_lash

Dave is always the wild one on those kind of nights - you can see he went for a slice of lime in his water. Rob is a bit of a wet blanket and doesnt go for any of that kind of thing - straight water only.

The Rape of Lucretia

stephen_n wrote: »

Dave Kearney and Sweetman were released back to their provinces today.

Just those two yeh ?

arsebiscuits1

Interested Observer wrote: »

If that's the team:

Bit nervous of Carbery playing 10 and having to kick if the unthinkable happens, because he's done neither this season. There'll be some complaints about Kearney but with Payne out and Zebo omitted it's probably the right call.

Really happy Stockdale is starting, Dave Kearney would have been unjustifiable. Having experience doesn't make up for barely having put in a performance for about 2 seasons (injury a lot to blame but doesn't matter, he hasn't been playing).

The backrow is a pure reputation pick. None have played especially well this season, or have played much at all in SOB's case. All need big games to justify their spots.

2 weeks in camp with Richie Murphy will help a lot I reckon. By all accounts he's an unbelievable kicking coach

prawnsambo

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Just those two yeh ?

I believe the guards found the tunnel entrance and blocked it before any more could escape.