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Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread VIII - MOD NOTE POST #4781

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irishbucsfan

Ireland squad update says nothing about a Sexton injury and says players will train fully today. Except Treadwell who is en route from SA

https://twitter.com/irishrugby/status/927524049332338688

[Deleted User]

No injuries according to the Times just now:

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/ireland-report-a-clean-bill-of-health-1.3281646

molloyjh

Call me a cynic, but how many times have injury reports been less than accurate in the past?

Clegg

I didn't realise Treadwell was only 22.

We've a lot of young, talented locks coming through now. It seems like we've a lot of promisiing players coming through in every area bar hooker. Bodes well for the future.

Buer

You have to laugh at Harry Byrne getting to train with the Irish squad whilst his big brother is sitting at home.

b.gud

Buer wrote: »

You have to laugh at Harry Byrne getting to train with the Irish squad whilst his big brother is sitting at home.

Is his brother Ross? Ye have too many Byrnes at Leinster

bilston

Buer wrote: »

You have to laugh at Harry Byrne getting to train with the Irish squad whilst his big brother is sitting at home.

Do the other provincial academies get the chance to train with the senior squad throughout the season?

durthacht

b.gud wrote: »

Is his brother Ross? Ye have too many Byrnes at Leinster

Yes

irishfan9

bilston wrote: »

Do the other provincial academies get the chance to train with the senior squad throughout the season?

usually yes.

Buer

bilston wrote: »

Do the other provincial academies get the chance to train with the senior squad throughout the season?

Not when they're training in Carton House, as far as I know. It's generally sub-academy players who are brought in too although there are a few 1st year academy players in the list training with them.

And I would imagine the training aspect is a very loose interpretation. Holding bags and providing bodies in non-contact drills etc. would be the extent of their involvement, I'm guessing.

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Buer wrote: »

Not when they're training in Carton House, as far as I know. It's generally sub-academy players who are brought in too although there are a few 1st year academy players in the list training with them.

And I would imagine the training aspect is a very loose interpretation. Holding bags and providing bodies in non-contact drills etc. would be the extent of their involvement, I'm guessing.

Yeah I doubt they do much but being in that environment must help them so much

Bazzo

It's unusual simply because it opens them up to accusations of bias if nothing else. I doubt the other academy/sub academy lads would have an issue traveling the extra hour or two to be there and if they're just bodies then what's the harm?

Wegians89

Bazzo wrote: »

It's unusual simply because it opens them up to accusations of bias if nothing else. I doubt the other academy/sub academy lads would have an issue traveling the extra hour or two to be there and if they're just bodies then what's the harm?

I can remember Cian romaine was involved a few years back and Ryan feehily was maybe last year just from a Connacht point of view. Leinster academy players might be the Ines to appear most but other provinces get represented too

Bazzo

Wegians89 wrote: »

I can remember Cian romaine was involved a few years back and Ryan feehily was maybe last year just from a Connacht point of view. Leinster academy players might be the Ines to appear most but other provinces get represented too

At Carton house??

irishfan9

i'm sure a few future munster, ulster and connacht players are in that list of leinster academy players.

Wegians89

Bazzo wrote: »

At Carton house??

Both were in aviva at open sessions actually could have just been with the under 20s

molloyjh

Bazzo wrote: »

It's unusual simply because it opens them up to accusations of bias if nothing else. I doubt the other academy/sub academy lads would have an issue traveling the extra hour or two to be there and if they're just bodies then what's the harm?

It can only open itself up to accusations of bias in as much as people want to ignore the pretty obvious logistical factors and just default straight to provincial outrage. Anyone willing to take a breath and look at the bigger picture will see it's a simple matter of convenience. Nothing more.

Although it is the internet, where the default setting is outrage anyway so......

Bazzo

molloyjh wrote: »

It can only open itself up to accusations of bias in as much as people want to ignore the pretty obvious logistical factors and just default straight to provincial outrage. Anyone willing to take a breath and look at the bigger picture will see it's a simple matter of convenience. Nothing more.

Although it is the internet, where the default setting is outrage anyway so......

Rule 1 of PR, never expect people to be reasonable.

[Deleted User]

I really don't see why he'd give a toss about accusations of bias from a few internet loons. Leave them to it.

[Deleted User]

molloyjh wrote: »

It can only open itself up to accusations of bias in as much as people want to ignore the pretty obvious logistical factors and just default straight to provincial outrage. Anyone willing to take a breath and look at the bigger picture will see it's a simple matter of convenience. Nothing more.

Although it is the internet, where the default setting is outrage anyway so......

You are dead right in that it's convenience. But that geographic convenience gives those players access to an environment in which they can learn from different coaches and players. Which in turn aids their development which aids Leinster before it aids Ireland. It's the way it is for good reason but if you called any sub/academy player form around the country they would be there in a heartbeat.
This isn't outrage at them being there but if they were a mix from the 4 provinces it'd be more beneficial for those academies

molloyjh

connemara man wrote: »

You are dead right in that it's convenience. But that geographic convenience gives those players access to an environment in which they can learn from different coaches and players. Which in turn aids their development which aids Leinster before it aids Ireland. It's the way it is for good reason but if you called any sub/academy player form around the country they would be there in a heartbeat.
This isn't outrage at them being there but if they were a mix from the 4 provinces it'd be more beneficial for those academies

Probably. It's hard to know or quantify that though. I can't imagine they learn all that much more compared to what they'd be learning at the Academies. They are only spending a couple of days holding tackle bags and probably aren't running through the plays properly. At this stage the Academies should be professional enough for them to be learning almost as much and then actually repping the stuff so it sticks. If watching others was enough to make us better players then most of us here would be pretty damn good.

irishbucsfan

I've no idea what sort of HR minefield they have to trip over when bringing amateur lads in to train with professional athletes, but I'd imagine most of these decisions are just down to whatever causes the least hassle and cost

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molloyjh wrote: »

Probably. It's hard to know or quantify that though. I can't imagine they learn all that much more compared to what they'd be learning at the Academies. They are only spending a couple of days holding tackle bags and probably aren't running through the plays properly. At this stage the Academies should be professional enough for them to be learning almost as much and then actually repping the stuff so it sticks. If watching others was enough to make us better players then most of us here would be pretty damn good.

I know in my professional career that when I'm around someone better than me it's improved me long term even if that's spending a day in an office with them.

So when you have a group of young lads watching and soaking in the senior international experience they are getting at least two things that will benefit them long term
firstly: and this might seem stupid but that want to be there increases they have seen behind the curtain seen what the pinnacle of their sport is like and will want to be back there again. (Not saying any player at home doesn't have that drive but being there will surely amplify that)
Secondly: you can learn a lot in terms of attitude, how the seniors conduct themselves how they interact with coaches etc... You'll learn that over years of playing but seeing the likes of Stander, O Brien, Earls, Kearney, & Sexton, honing what they do while you hold a tackle bag can only be better than being among lads your own age

prawnsambo

b.gud wrote: »

Is his brother Ross? Ye have too many Byrnes at Leinster

It's the Wicklow mafia piling in. You can't spit in any direction in Wicklow without hitting a Byrne.

[Deleted User]

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I've no idea what sort of HR minefield they have to trip over when bringing amateur lads in to train with professional athletes, but I'd imagine most of these decisions are just down to whatever causes the least hassle and cost

Probably doesn't hurt that the academy lads are already familiar with the bulk of the senior Ireland squad coming from Leinster.

The Rape of Lucretia

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Probably doesn't hurt that the academy lads are already familiar with the bulk of the senior Ireland squad coming from Leinster.

And the Leinster academy lads will form the bulk of the Ireland squad going forward anyway. Having academy players (do the other provinces even have genuine academies?) from from other provinces is starting to look like it would be unfair to any Leinster ones excluded.

[Deleted User]

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

(do the other provinces even have genuine academies?)

Yeah - you can sign up for Ulsters one here:

Burkie1203

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yeah - you can sign up for Ulsters one here:

Thats low.

Utah_Saint

Deleted User wrote: »

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

(do the other provinces even have genuine academies?)

Yeah - you can sign up for Ulsters one here:

Funny and devastatingly true. Talk about kicking a man while he's down!

prawnsambo

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Thats low.

Tells us a lot about Venjur's online activities though. And offline ones of course.