Tipsy McSwagger wrote: » Ordered by Kennedy himself.
Cheerful Spring wrote: » Even KRLD TV says it was impossible for an assassin to be let through unnoticed. The entrance was blocked by a big armored trunk and guards are outside watching and stopping cars. So not sure why people claim Ruby walked down the police underground entrance unnoticed?
bunderoon wrote: » Ah sound. Any proof or link for that?
Tipsy McSwagger wrote: » Because Ruby snuck in the other entrance on Main St. and not the Commerce St entrance which was blocked by the truck. He spotted Lt Pierce driving out, the officer who was guarding the entrance moved to the side and Ruby snuck in. Less than 60 seconds later he shot LHO. Ruby told the detectives who were interviewing him 30 minutes after shooting LHO this was how he snuck in.
Cheerful Spring wrote: » I posted the video ages ago you not watch it. It was a confession after he killed Oswald. The reporters asked him was he alone in doing this act and he clearly states others are involved.
Whiplash85 wrote: » Botched protection of president Botched shooting Botched collection and protection of evidence and collection of witness statements Botched Autopsy Botched protection of chief suspect Botched investigation. Thats a whole pile of botches faciliated by the dictat that "the public must be convinced that Oswald acted alone".Then you have to assume that Oswald could hit the president twice in 6.3 seconds against all odds. Then you have to assume that Ruby was a patriot and not just the owner of a strip club. The Warren commission and mainstream media have convinced people for years that this was the act of a 24 year old lone wolf. That people who dont buy this story are the loony ones. That stuff like magic bullets and mislaying a presidents brain can be regular day occurences. They have convinced people that water does in fact flow uphill in the context of this case. From the moment a photofit of Oswald was furhished they have always tried to make Oswald fit the narrative, trying to lump hammer square pegs into round holes and discounting many witness testimony in the process that did not fit the official line. Thank the lord for Mark Lane. In my opinion this man is the definition of a true american hero and did so much to re calibrate Americans minds with his documentaries and books and presenting a counter view.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » you seem to be massive overestimating the difficulty of the shots that were taken.
The Nal wrote: » Rest of the files to be released in the next few weeks. Not next year as previously reported. Anyone looking to dig deeper, a few good documentaries here. Oswalds Ghost - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY93Y2ryqcc JFK The Lost Bullet - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyECKcK0uCw Rush to Judgment - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w4sQtwWfBo Lee Harvey Oswald: An American Tragedy - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3Gf8fKdhQ0
Whiplash85 wrote: » What is especially interesting is the interviews on youtube of doctors Crenshaw and McLelland who were in parkland hospital who were some of the first people to see his wounds. Also features Dr Perry. It was clear these doctors were terrified and were subverted. Particularly by Dr Charles Baxter who threatened that any doctor that didnt tow the party line or "tried to make a quick buck" out of selling their story, he would see to it that they would never work in the medical profession again. They had seen hundreds of gun shot wounds and were not privy to the details of what went on in Dealey plaza but were convinced the head shot was an entry wound above right temple. These assertions were copperfastened in their minds when they saw the Zapruder film in mid 70's. Indeed McLelland in what is a real eye opening 3 part doc on youtube states that Pathologist Rose tried to conduct an Autopsy as is required under Texas law but was prevented by secret service agents with Thompson sub machine guns who took the body but not before acosting Rose.
Whiplash85 wrote: » Botched protection of president Botched shooting Botched collection and protection of evidence and collection of witness statements Botched Autopsy Botched protection of chief suspect Botched investigation. Thats a whole pile of botches faciliated by the dictat that "the public must be convinced that Oswald acted alone". Then you have to assume that Oswald could hit the president twice in 6.3 seconds against all odds. Then you have to assume that Ruby was a patriot and not just the owner of a strip club. The Warren commission and mainstream media have convinced people for years that this was the act of a 24 year old lone wolf. That people who dont buy this story are the loony ones. That stuff like magic bullets and mislaying a presidents brain can be regular day occurences. They have convinced people that water does in fact flow uphill in the context of this case. From the moment a photofit of Oswald was furhished they have always tried to make Oswald fit the narrative, trying to lump hammer square pegs into round holes and discounting many witness testimony in the process that did not fit the official line. Thank the lord for Mark Lane. In my opinion this man is the definition of a true american hero and did so much to re calibrate Americans minds with his documentaries and books and presenting a counter view.
Dohnjoe wrote: » So who really did it then? names If solid details can't be provided after 50 years then it's coming across as individuals interested only in perpetuating doubt rather than getting to the bottom of it
The Nal wrote: » The issue with conspiracy theories is that there isn't a single piece of specific evidence to support any of them. Never mind something approaching proof. Forget about names.
Cheerful Spring wrote: » These are the people Hunt named as being the ringleaders.Frank Sturgis, an anti-Castro paramilitary closely associated with Hunt. Sturgis was one of the Watergate burglars. David Morales, Chief of Operations at the CIA's JMWAVE station in Miami. Morales himself told a few close associates of his involvement. David Phillips, CIA propaganda specialist and later Chief of Western Hemisphere Division. Phillips was assigned to Mexico City during the mysterious trip of Lee Harvey Oswald, or someone using his name, to that city in the fall of 1963. Antonio Veciana, Cuban exile leader of Alpha 66. Veciana told the HSCA that a "Maurice Bishop," thought by many to be Phillips, pointed out Lee Harvey Oswald to him. William Harvey, a CIA officer who ran the ZR/RIFLE "executive action" program. Harvey fell out of favor with the Kennedys when he sent sabotage teams into Cuba during the 1962 Missile Crisis. Cord Meyer, a high-level CIA officer whose ex-wife Mary Meyer was having an affair with JFK. French Gunman Grassy Knoll. Hunt's chart included an unnamed French hit man on the infamous grassy knoll. Lyndon Johnson, Vice-President.
Tipsy McSwagger wrote: » LBJ was involved? Why would he put himself and his wife (who were 2 cars back from JFK) in the firing line of all these assassins who were shooting from the front, the grassy knoll and the opposite side of the knoll?
Cheerful Spring wrote: » Dallas Sheriff Deputy, Roger Craig, who was one of the first police officers on the scene and said the gun was declared to be a German Mauser.
The Nal wrote: » People who won't budge from thinking its a conspiracy, and in general people who believe "they" control everything don't tend to use common sense. This is the 3 tramps theory which has been widely discredited for decades. More Jim Garrison insanity. The people Hunt "named" on his deathbed, thats also nonsense. There are dozens of people with similar stories and not a shred of evidence.
The Nal wrote: » People who won't budge from thinking its a conspiracy, and in general people who believe "they" control everything don't tend to use common sense. This is the 3 tramps theory which has been widely discredited for decades. More Jim Garrison insanity. The people Hunt "named" on his deathbed, thats also nonsense. There are dozens of people with similar stories and not a shred of evidence. First descriptions of the bullet casings at the Tippet scene were also wrong.You can't just pick a random quote or interview and base a whole conspiracy on that.
Dohnjoe wrote: » Is there any counter-theory (with supporting evidence) that holds any water?
ohnonotgmail wrote: » you seriously underestimate conspiracy theorists.
The Nal wrote: » First descriptions of the bullet casings at the Tippet scene were also wrong. You can't just pick a random quote or interview and base a whole conspiracy on that.
The Nal wrote: » This is the 3 tramps theory which has been widely discredited for decades. More Jim Garrison insanity. The people Hunt "named" on his deathbed, thats also nonsense.
The Nal wrote: » http://oswald-is-guilty.blogspot.ie/ Conspiracy theorists seem to choose what they think happened and work backwards from there, picking up info that matches their agenda on the way. Doing it that way, theres a case to be made for the assassin to be anyone from Frank Sinatra to his mother Rose. He screwed over Sinatra - Sinatra has mob connections, cash to pull it together, Ruby etc.
Whiplash85 wrote: » Whats clear to me is some people on here would believe in the tooth fairy, Easter Bunny and Santa Claus. The real conspiracy theorists here are the ones claiming this is the act of a Lone wolf. That is just lunatic stuff and unfortunately the media have been pulling the wool over your eyes for years. Operation Northwood and Mongoose show that the CIA wouldnt think twice of a bit of collateral damage and blow up their own people. So to answer an earlier question of who are implicated I believe the CIA have questions to answer and some people who had political motivations at the time. CIA stands for central intelligence agency. Not a whole pile of intelligent knocking together of heads back then. Look at Watergate. Was that a conspiracy? No. They tried to manipulate and subvert the truth. If people dont believe that its crazy that the most powerful man in the worlds brain can go missing and cant believe the testimony of medical professionals in Parkland then I give up. Also for the people who are not familiar with the totality of this story. LBJ appointed Warren commission to investigate this case and they were mandated to display to public that LHO acted alone. They werent interested in counter views. This theory began to unwind in 70s as Americans saw Zapruder film for first time. House select committee had their own investigation and concluded it was probable that there was a conspiracy. Thinly veiled there were teams of shooters dotted around Dealey plaza that day. If you ever have the chance to go to Dallas like I did firstly get to a steakhouse in Forthworth but if you have time visit the grassy knoll, Dallas Tek building and 6th floor museum (for a bit of background)
