Esel wrote: » Not an answer.
Are Am Eye wrote: » If the hypothetical CIA cabaal, agency within an agency, had really assassinated JFK, do you honestly think that clues or evidence to that effect is sitting in official files in government archives in Washington. That if they just released these papers that we would suddenly have the real story. Whatever happened and whatever is known is long since out there at this stage. As someone said earlier most of the protagonists are dead now. If it was a cover up then it was a successful one. You aren't going to learn anymore now. The conspiracy angle doesn't ring through though. Too many people. No one spills the beans. They set up a messy gun show in a public street. No. Too complicated, too many moving parts. It would have been done neatly, quietly and very tidily. With not a lose end to question.
Cheerful Spring wrote: » 6.5×52mm Carcano Model 91/38 infantry rifle all use the same parts and same bullets. Have you evidence different batches of the same manufactured bullets made by the same company leave different traces?
Cheerful Spring wrote: » I don't believe the Warren Commission or agree with their experts. The bullet had no chain of custody.
Esel wrote: » I hope you are not saying that separate bullets fired from two models of the same gun would have identical marks?
Are Am Eye wrote: » That's not how ballistics work. Every gun barrel has its unique marks and quirks in rifling - that leave marks and striations on the bullet. A bullet can be linked to the gun that fired it.
Charmeleon wrote: » Because they investigated many secret service agents and heard testimony from the intelligence agencies. What they had to say could identify and compromise the safety of informers or their relatives or give away secret intelligence gathering techniques.
Cheerful Spring wrote: » Why is the CIA and FBI holding up the release of thousands of JFK documents, if the case is closed? If Oswald was all alone, a lunatic and had no help planning this assassination. There should be no reason to be waving the flag of national security.
Cheerful Spring wrote: » Evidence put before the Warren Commission could not positively establish if the bullet was found on Kennedy’s stretcher or Connally’s and the bullet’s chain of custody was not clearly recorded. So this is a huge problem when you don't know exactly where the bullet came from!
Cheerful Spring wrote: » Why is the CIA and FBI holding up the release of thousands of JFK documents, if they case closed Oswald was alone, lunatic and had no help?
Are Am Eye wrote: » As well as that Cheerfull your trying to both argue that the bullet in the hospital wasn't fired at Deely Plaza and that it was and contradicts the wounds (it doesn't). You can't have it both ways. Anyway the straight forward narrative holds up and is consistent. The bullet travelled into the hospital in Connolly's leg. The full metal jacket bullet is substantially intact as it is supposed to be. The angle from Oswald's rifle to JFK and the disposition of JFK and Connolly in the car matches with the expected wounds. Taking account of the bullet spinning and losing kinetic energy as it proceeds. Loath as I am to reach for the cliched Occam's Razor - why look for a convoluted conspiracy when the plain facts add up and hold up.
Cheerful Spring wrote: » The bullets are the same. A stranger could use the same make gun and bullets and the ballistic expert not could tell the difference.
Charmeleon wrote: » Except every gun leaves a specific set of markings on a bullet that was fired through it. The bullet has been sitting in the archives as well as the gun, if someone could prove it wasn’t fired by that rifle, I think we would have heard about it. The ballistics experts that examined it showed it was fired from the recovered gun.
tomwaterford wrote: » One would wonder how hard a skeptic would try??
Cheerful Spring wrote: » Only Fragments of a bullet were extracted from Connolly. There is no evidence whatsoever the bullet in the Archives ( magic bullet) was fired by Oswald. It was found on stretcher, it was never taken out of any part of Connolly body,
Charmeleon wrote: » Because it was embedded in Connolly’s thigh before it worked it’s way out. As I have explained, it was traveling very slowly for a bullet before it came to rest, so was not deep in Connolly’s thigh.
Cheerful Spring wrote: » Skeptics have tried and every time have not be able to replicate the magic bullet shot. There bullet when recovered was smashed and deformed. A bullet would suffer severe deformities after it hit the skin, then ribs, the wrist and finally the thigh of Connolly.
Cheerful Spring wrote: » Fragments broke off, but the bullet was intact. And the bullet was mysteriously found at the hospital? Why was it not found inside the car Kennedy was travelling in?
Cheerful Spring wrote: » Skeptics have tried and every time have not be able to replicate the magic bullet shot.
Are Am Eye wrote: » I think the myth that that bullet was undamaged has been well and truly debunked. Wasn't based on fact. The magic bullet's trajectory is also not so magical when they later factored in that Connolly was sitting a half bodies width more into the centre of the car than JFK behind him. Connolly was half turned to his left. JFK's seat was very slightly higher than Connolly's in the front. The angle of the shot from the Depository fits with these alignments.
Charmeleon wrote: » It wasn’t 3 bullets in six seconds, he had all the time in the world to line up the first shot. So if you are timing the rapid firing of the gun then the timer starts after the trigger is first pulled. 2 shots in the following 6 seconds. Some people have timed it and it may have been 8 seconds between the first and last shots. There’s no ‘magic bullet’. It is simple physics. The bullet passed through JFK’s throat and exited without hitting any bones. That slowed the bullet down considerably before it entered Connolly’s back. The first bone it hit was the soft, thin bone of his rib cage on exit. By then it was traveling at a fraction of the original speed because it was spinning after it left JFK and then entered Connolly lengthways. The first hard bone it hit was Connoly’s wrist and by then it was traveling at a low speed for a bullet. For bone to deform hard metal (the bullet had a full metal jacket), it has to be traveling very fast.
Are Am Eye wrote: » Was Oswald left handed? There seems to be conflicting claims on this - looking on the net. If he was a leftie, I think the shot to his left out the window would be a little awkward. If I'm not mistaken Oswald was facing roughly westward - so the Sun would not factor into either shot.
