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Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread VIII - MOD NOTE POST #4781

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The Rape of Lucretia

Somewhat of a loss for Munster, no loss for Ireland really. Took advantage of Joe-time and did develop his game to be fair, so hope it works out for him.
We will always have the heal-flick recovery that time he over-ran the ball against Wales.
Cheers Zeebs.

FellasFellas

Niall Scannell out of action with broken thumb, Tracey doesnt cut the mustard for me at International level so is it going to be a recall for Strauss as the 3rd choice or will JS go Heffernan/McCartney?

Burkie1203

RichieRich89 wrote: »

With everything being geared towards the World Cup, the best move would be to deselect Zebo forthwith and not consider him for international selection henceforth. There's no point building towards the future with a player who is unlikely to be picked when RWC 2019 comes around. O'Halloran, Ludik, Nelson and Carbery are good options.

Leinster picking Ben Teo really hurt Ringrose's career

jacothelad

thomond2006 wrote: »

I'd still pick Zebo until the RWC tbh.

Have you changed pyjama suppliers? Fickle......much.

Wegians89

Clegg wrote: »

Really, when? I'm not being antagonistic here, it's just I can't recall him ever starting a game for Ireland at full back.

His debut in America

Squidgy Black

Clegg wrote: »

Really, when? I'm not being antagonistic here, it's just I can't recall him ever starting a game for Ireland at full back.

Started FB against the US in 2013.

Clegg

Bazzo wrote: »

Clegg wrote: »

I think there's zero chance Henahaw moves to 15. Never played there for Ireland and won't play there for Leinster for either. His best position is in the centres.

He has started at full back for Ireland and in fact I think he has on more than one occasion.

Really, when? I'm not being antagonistic here, it's just I can't recall him ever starting a game for Ireland at full back.

Erik Shin

thebaz wrote: »

he'd be well paid if he stayed too - terrible loss for our WC , just for a few extra euros - if he left post WC I'd say - fair play too - but not now.

We'll still make the QF of the world cup with or without him

thomond2006

I'd still pick Zebo until the RWC tbh.

Bazzo

Clegg wrote: »

I think there's zero chance Henahaw moves to 15. Never played there for Ireland and won't play there for Leinster for either. His best position is in the centres.

He has started at full back for Ireland and in fact I think he has on more than one occasion.

Clegg

clsmooth wrote: »

Any chance we could see Henshaw back at 15 in the future with Zebo out of the (long term) picture? Aki and Ringrose as 12/13? I think Carbery will be given a chance to lock down 15 for 2019, but if he doesn’t take it, Henshaw could find himself back there. Good news for Ross Byrne as he’ll get more time at 10 with Carbery at 15 for Leinster.

I think there's zero chance Henahaw moves to 15. Never played there for Ireland and won't play there for Leinster for either. His best position is in the centres.

bilston

Shame to see him go from an Ireland POV. A significant blow to Munster mind.

No doubt he will still be selected for the squad for the remainder of the season. Not sure what the take will be on the Australia tour. The emergence of Stockdale and Carbery ought to soften the blow for Ireland.

I wonder whether the IRFU will be a bit more lenient come the WC on overseas players as presumably they would have full access to Zebo once the Top 14 has finished in June 2019.

Buer

durthacht wrote:

Don't see many forthwiths or henceforths around here.

Notwithstanding our best efforts heretofore.

clsmooth

Any chance we could see Henshaw back at 15 in the future with Zebo out of the (long term) picture? Aki and Ringrose as 12/13? I think Carbery will be given a chance to lock down 15 for 2019, but if he doesn’t take it, Henshaw could find himself back there. Good news for Ross Byrne as he’ll get more time at 10 with Carbery at 15 for Leinster.

irishbucsfan

RichieRich89 wrote: »

It's what you get to if you take your argument to its logical conclusion. Picking a player because they're paying him wouldn't make sense if you didn't also pick the player who is earning more than his competitors for the jersey.

Only if you misunderstand the original point. This is a straw man.

Ireland's priority over the next 6 months will be to win a grand slam. It'll be miles ahead of any other target. And they will pick anyone in the country who helps them do that unless it's a 50/50 decision, which looks extremely unlikely.

molloyjh

durthacht wrote: »

RichieRich89 wrote: »

With everything being geared towards the World Cup, the best move would be to deselect Zebo forthwith and not consider him for international selection henceforth. There's no point building towards the future with a player who is unlikely to be picked when RWC 2019 comes around. O'Halloran, Ludik, Nelson and Carbery are good options.

Don't see many forthwiths or henceforths around here.

What I want to know is where the concurrentlys and the ergos are.

RichieRich89

irishbucsfan wrote: »

No, the argument that they pick the team based on who is paid the most by position does not make any sense. Noone made that argument.

It's what you get to if you take your argument to its logical conclusion. Picking a player because they're paying him wouldn't make sense if you didn't also pick the player who is earning more than his competitors for the jersey.

durthacht

RichieRich89 wrote: »

With everything being geared towards the World Cup, the best move would be to deselect Zebo forthwith and not consider him for international selection henceforth. There's no point building towards the future with a player who is unlikely to be picked when RWC 2019 comes around. O'Halloran, Ludik, Nelson and Carbery are good options.

Don't see many forthwiths or henceforths around here.

irishbucsfan

RichieRich89 wrote: »

Does that argument make sense? They don't just select the team based on who's paid the most by position.

No, the argument that they pick the team based on who is paid the most by position does not make any sense. Noone made that argument.

Clegg

RichieRich89 wrote: »

Clegg wrote: »

Sure. But its an opportunity for guys like Conway, Stockdale and Carbery. Nelson just isn't that calibre of player.

Ireland's attack works much better when there's a second playmaker at fullback, which should give Nelson the edge over Conway and Stockdale if we're talking purely about playing 15

I understand what you're saying and I agree with the second playmaker thread of thought. But for me the other players mentioned all have more to offer than Nelson.

OhChicken

I heard Zebo is on too.

RichieRich89

irishbucsfan wrote: »

They're paying Zebo. He'll play.

Does that argument make sense? They don't just select the team based on who's paid the most by position.

thebaz

super_furry wrote: »

It's a short career that could end tomorrow and he has two kids to look after now, so fair play to Zebo for doing what's best to secure his future.

he'd be well paid if he stayed too - terrible loss for our WC , just for a few extra euros - if he left post WC I'd say - fair play too - but not now.

irishbucsfan

They're paying Zebo. He'll play.

RichieRich89

Clegg wrote: »

Sure. But its an opportunity for guys like Conway, Stockdale and Carbery. Nelson just isn't that calibre of player.

Ireland's attack works much better when there's a second playmaker at fullback, which should give Nelson the edge over Conway and Stockdale if we're talking purely about playing 15

molloyjh

We have to think about what positions we’re looking to develop players in too. If we want to bring Stockdale through we’re better off doing it with Zebo at 15 than Carbery for example.

Clegg

Interested Observer wrote: »

While obviously Nelson isn't in the running I sort of agree with the sentiment. He's leaving, lets move on.

Sure. But its an opportunity for guys like Conway, Stockdale and Carbery. Nelson just isn't that calibre of player.

RichieRich89

Clegg wrote: »

I was expecting Ludik, but Peter Nelson?

That's top quality.

Nelson has a lot of the qualities you look for in a 15. He's got a big boot, he's got outhalf style creativity, he's positionally sound, he's fast. Basically, he has the nuts and bolts down, and is also capable of being a second playmaker. Obviously he'd need to play the position for Ulster, but I think he could be one to watch.

[Deleted User]

Clegg wrote: »

I was expecting Ludik, but Peter Nelson?

That's top quality.

While obviously Nelson isn't in the running I sort of agree with the sentiment. He's leaving, lets move on.

Sephiral

There are plenty of options at full back, but Zebo is currently the best one as well as being a more than reliable wing option. Frustrating that he could not be retained until the next World Cup, but I think Carberry would have overtaken him by then.