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Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

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Mod-The powers that be have come back and their will be no discussion of the ongoing rape trial taking place in Belfast.

...seeing as the alleged worst kept secret in Hollywood has suddenly appeared in the mainstream media.

Film producer Harvey Weinstein has issued an apology as a newspaper reported a number of sexual harassment allegations against him.
"I appreciate the way I've behaved with colleagues in the past has caused a lot of pain, and I sincerely apologise for it," said the movie mogul's statement.
But he later disputed a New York Times report that claimed he harassed female employees over nearly three decades.
The newspaper reported he had reached at least eight settlements with women.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41520007

Rumours of the so called 'Hollywood casting couch' have been a recurring feature in the mogul's career. Hopefully, these claims will result in prosecutions and an in depth examination of the twisted Hollywood culture.

In the meantime, have a look at the totally not creepy body language in this picture:

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Wibbs

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

What makes you say "poor woman"? She seems happy enough to me.

Exactly and this isn't a bad illustration of how people process things after a scandal like this comes out. Weinstein is and has been a scumbag, this much is abundantly clear. However the automatic response now is that any woman within his orbit was a rape/abuse victim*. No matter how they're acting or indeed what they say. That same picture three weeks ago would not illicit anything beyond "they seem relaxed/maybe they were together?". It it shows nothing whatsoever "about the whole subject in one picture". Human nature is a funny old thing, easily swayed and knee jerk in response. It's why the mob should never be relied upon where justice is concerned.

*he was a dick in other ways too. Who's to say he doesn't have Russel Crowe over a barrel on some deal in that same picture?

tara73

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Renee Zellweger (Bridget Jones, Jerry Maguire etc).

What makes you say "poor woman"? She seems happy enough to me.

Because on the first picture you posted she doesn't look happy at all.

I think everything was discussed here to death about the subject. still people her are on and on about the women 'who took part in it' yes. there are women who took part in it but they are not the main problem here.

yaaaawn, done with it.

Wibbs

tara73 wrote: »

Because on the first picture you posted she doesn't look happy at all.

How so? She's leaning into him, with her arm draped over his leg and with a smile on her face. Like I said you're reading into a picture because of what you know now. I'd bet the farm your reaction if any if you saw that picture a year ago would be very different. And like I said, people are easily swayed by whatever view they currently hold.

Sexual predators like bullies are very good at identifying and seeking out people they can more easily victimise. It's a huge part of their character. As well as the internal Hollywood collusion because he was making them money hand over fist(and on "worthy" projects with it) you can almost guarantee that one reason it took so long to come out about him is because he was so good at picking his victims. It explains why a few women have said they didn't personally notice anything themselves in their interactions. Either they weren't his "type"(unlikely) or more likely he knew they'd fight back or scream it from the rooftops, or even that their partners would punch his lights out(particularly if they weren't in the business so would have little to lose by doing so). Ms Zellweger could well have been one of those women.

And I agree 100% that the main problem is Weinstein and the culture around him. Even those women who may have exchanged "favours" for roles only did so because of the culture. They sure as hell wouldn't have if it didn't exist as an option.

QueenRizla

His MO was really creepy, Lupita Nyong'o describes an encounter.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4999264/Lupita-Nyong-o-accuses-Weinstein-sexual-harassment.html#comments

How did he keep all this from the wife? She is stunning and much younger, how did he manage to hid this from her for so long? His entourage seemed to be complicit in enabling him. He really is a disgusting piece of work.

Wibbs

QueenRizla wrote: »

How did he keep all this from the wife? She is stunning and much younger, how did he manage to hid this from her for so long?

It may well have been more of a business arrangement and for public optics than the average marriage. As you say she's younger and much better looking than him. She was hardly attracted to him physically and wouldn't have been if he was an average office worker. His power and wealth would be the attraction thing*. Maybe she knew or suspected but felt this was the cost of their arrangement? Or she simply decided to ignore it. There's many the man and woman who turn a blind eye to their partners indiscretions. So long as they stay private and out of sight.

*Which also begs the question; there are enough women he would have encountered who would have gone along with his sexual advances without duress, but yet this wasn't enough for him. Or he could have just hired expensive hookers. It was all about the power and control for him.

RabbleRouser2k

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Renee Zellweger (Bridget Jones, Jerry Maguire etc).

What makes you say "poor woman"? She seems happy enough to me.

Oscar Winner Renee Zellweger. She starred in Chicago, and Cold Mountain-both of which he produced. And he got her an Oscar for Cold Mountain, despite it being an utterly awful film (Nobody could do a Southern accent for one thing)-oh, and she said she got the Oscar cos 'she deserved it' cos she won nothing for Chicago. Chicago was a movie that didn't deserve the awards it got-it was the year of Lord of the Rings, people forgot Chicago.
But that was Harvey-and the Oscars-reward campaigns, not talent.

No doubt he had stuff over Russell Crowe-Crowe had many a public meltdown (including the phone throwing incident). But there were more than likely many, many more-he even managed to cause an anti-semetic stir when he condemned circumcision.
Oh, and there are claims he helped kill a Weinstein story. So it's not as if he's some pious individual.

Penn

Wibbs wrote: »

*Which also begs the question; there are enough women he would have encountered who would have gone along with his sexual advances without duress, but yet this wasn't enough for him. Or he could have just hired expensive hookers. It was all about the power and control for him.

Absolutely. It's why him being in rehab for sex addiction is a joke. He wasn't addicted to sex. He didn't just attack or harass or rape these women as a spur of the moment thing because he couldn't control his impulses. He had a system. He planned these encounters. He had people helping him (whether unknowingly or, more likely, knowingly) to get actresses into his room and then leave them alone with him. That's not someone acting uncontrollably out of their addiction, that's someone planning these things and getting away with them because he knows he can.

Even the encounters like when he masturbated in front of the reporter in the hall of a restaurant, it was about the power he had in being able to do that.

There are, almost undoubtedly, actresses who have willingly slept with him for a role. Whether they became big name stars out of it or not. Especially seeing as how he'd brag about the actresses he slept with to other actresses as part of his process (likely in a "X has done it and look how famous she is now" way). But he crossed the line of consent and assaulted or raped these actresses out of his need for power and control, not sex.

QueenRizla

Wibbs wrote: »

It may well have been more of a business arrangement and for public optics than the average marriage. As you say she's younger and much better looking than him. She was hardly attracted to him physically and wouldn't have been if he was an average office worker. His power and wealth would be the attraction thing*. Maybe she knew or suspected but felt this was the cost of their arrangement? Or she simply decided to ignore it. There's many the man and woman who turn a blind eye to their partners indiscretions. So long as they stay private and out of sight.

*Which also begs the question; there are enough women he would have encountered who would have gone along with his sexual advances without duress, but yet this wasn't enough for him. Or he could have just hired expensive hookers. It was all about the power and control for him.

That's true. He seems generally obnoxious to people he deems beneath him. Comment to the waiter 'You'll get her what I tell you. I'm the one paying' as he is trying to ply her (Lupita) with drink she doesn't want.

Can't get my head around his beautiful and successful (dress designer) wife being attracted to him in any way. She is wealthy in her own right.
Power and wealth in a very unattractive obnoxious package, that's before you even factor in the sexual assaults!

Crea

QueenRizla wrote: »

That's true. He seems generally obnoxious to people he deems beneath him. Comment to the waiter 'You'll get her what I tell you. I'm the one paying' as he is trying to ply her (Lupita) with drink she doesn't want.

Can't get my head around his beautiful and successful (dress designer) wife being attracted to him in any way. She is wealthy in her own right.
Power and wealth in a very unattractive obnoxious package, that's before you even factor in the sexual assaults!

He and the wife married before her design business took off. Word is he used his influence to get actresses to wear his wife's designs on the red carpet. Apparently there was some bullying involved. I can't see many actresses supporting the brand in the next few years.

QueenRizla

Crea wrote: »

He and the wife married before her design business took off. Word is he used his influence to get actresses to wear his wife's designs on the red carpet. Apparently there was some bullying involved. I can't see many actresses supporting the brand in the next few years.

Didn't know that, just looked it up. Felicity Huffman said he threatened to pull funding for her movie Transamerica if she didn't wear his wife's dresses. :eek:

RabbleRouser2k

Crea wrote: »

He and the wife married before her design business took off. Word is he used his influence to get actresses to wear his wife's designs on the red carpet. Apparently there was some bullying involved. I can't see many actresses supporting the brand in the next few years.

Yeah-the 'Harvey Girls' as they were called-aka the lady's he was promoting/ having sex with. Hollywood knew who they were because they were wearing his wife's dresses.

Yeah, the brand will be seen as toxic. Based on his own branding.

tylercheribini

Speaking of Hollywood misogyny, The Quite Man finishing up on Film 4 + 1 now.

Shurimgreat

tylercheribini wrote: »

Speaking of Hollywood misogyny, The Quite Man finishing up on Film 4 + 1 now.

Ah here, the story was written in the 1930s and filmed in the 1950s. And it was more a p*sstake than anything else.

tylercheribini

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Ah here, the story was written in the 1930s and filmed in the 1950s. And it was more a p*sstake than anything else.

haha love that "pisstake" argument, my college lecturer made the same apologist shtick. The whole thing is one big ironic pisstake by 'Irish American' Ford eh? Funny yankee audiences didn't 'get it' then or now(look at the bus loads that still visit the filming sites, ironically of course):) Its the most stage "oirish", diddley di ****e you can get, makes Darby O Gill look like a documentary and ultimately spawned what we now know as bord failte and the 'Irish Cailin'/Rose of Tralee industry. Point I was making is how things that were wholely acceptable at one stage ( dragging slapping women etc) and hiding in plain sight, arent anymore. Was also referring to the making of stories more than anything else too.

branie2

tylercheribini wrote: »

Speaking of Hollywood misogyny, The Quite Man finishing up on Film 4 + 1 now.

It;s my favourite John Wayne film

tylercheribini

branie2 wrote: »

It;s my favourite John Wayne film

jaysus he is shocking, the arnie of his day.

Thecageyone

I despise the word/term "mogul" - why even use it? asshole is a much better term

Rubberchikken

I like to see a list of the women he didnt do anything to. The man appears to gave more energy thsn his girth would indicate.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

Meanwhile, the focus is slowly starting to turn to the core problem in Hollywood- the long suspected child abuse that appears to be endemic in the industry.

Stranger Things star Finn Wolfhard fires agent amid sex abuse claims

Stranger Things star Finn Wolfhard, 14, has reportedly broken ties with his agent Tyler Grasham, after at least two accusations of sexual assault were leveled at the agent.

On Tuesday, former child star Blaise Godbe Lipman wrote a Facebook post alleging that Grasham had assaulted him.

"Tyler Grasham, under the pretense of a business meeting regarding potential agency representation at APA Agency, fed me alcohol while I was underage and sexually assaulted me," claimed Lipman, who has appeared in several US television shows including Weeds and The Office.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/on-demand/2017/10/21/stranger-things-star-finn-wolfhard-fires-agent-amid-sex-abuse/

Actress Evan Rachel Wood has commented on Twitter that the paedophile scandal in Hollwood "will be the next dam to break."

https://twitter.com/evanrachelwood/status/920184070746681344

The sooner the better, IMO.

Riddle101

Not sure how the pedophile scandal was kept secret for so long. I remember Corey Feldman and Elijah Wood speaking out against it. Never seemed to get much attention though.

http://people.com/celebrity/corey-feldman-on-child-sexual-abuse-in-hollywood-and-corey-haim/

Billy86

Riddle101 wrote: »

Not sure how the pedophile scandal was kept secret for so long. I remember Corey Feldman and Elijah Wood speaking out against it. Never seemed to get much attention though.

http://people.com/celebrity/corey-feldman-on-child-sexual-abuse-in-hollywood-and-corey-haim/

It's because people like Corey Haim and Feldman are/were very messed up in the head and have had a history of drug problems so it was easy to fob off. The sad irony there is that children who suffer sexual abuse very often grow up to be messed up in the head and have drug dependency issues.

Doesn't explain Elijah Wood getting ignored though, he has always (as best I know) been a very stable, non-dramatic person. Though I believe he said he escaped without ever falling victim because his parents were very aware of the potential and went to lengths to keep him looked/supervised/etc after at all times.

This video I posted earlier in the thread is just depressing with how out of their way the hosts go to downplay it and essentially just tell him to shut his mouth in not so many words. If he were talking sh*** and looking for attention, Michael Jackson (dead at the time of this video) would have been the easiest 'big names' to jump on, yet he goes out of his way to say he did nothing and even acknowledge "of all people".

Also stumbled upon this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q70rA6dAJic - at 4mins in Haim is talking about being raped and Feldman about being molested during an argument between them which also backs up Feldman's comments that Haim 'got it' a good deal worse.

RabbleRouser2k

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

Actress Evan Rachel Wood has commented on Twitter that the paedophile scandal in Hollwood "will be the next dam to break."

The sooner the better, IMO.

A number of the so-called 'anti-gamergators' have been revealed as sexual deviants-harassment, assault and rape. As well as one who was discovered with child pornography, Shane Vader (and not for the first time, either).

Billy86 wrote: »

It's because people like Corey Haim and Feldman are/were very messed up in the head and have had a history of drug problems so it was easy to fob off. The sad irony there is that children who suffer sexual abuse very often grow up to be messed up in the head and have drug dependency issues.

Also stumbled upon this - [at 4mins in Haim is talking about being raped and Feldman about being molested during an argument between them which also backs up Feldman's comments that Haim 'got it' a good deal worse.

Haim , today, is calling for people to come forward with things they witnessed to end paedophilia in Hollywood.

Yeah, Wood emerged unscathed because of the luck of having the parents he had. As, I believe, did Jonathan Brandis-Brandis wanted to go behind the camera, but couldn't get a break.

There have been allegations made about Joel Schumacher in regards to Haim, and I don't believe it. Someone close to Haim said that his abuser was 42 at the time-but Schumacher was older during the making of Lost Boys, the only time he worked with Schumacher. What also emerged was a story of how Schumacher was one of the few who tried to protect Brad Renfro-another troubled kid.
Renfro had a troubled childhood-his grandmother was his sole parent, because his parents were drug addicts. Schumacher tried to help him-even enrolled him in acting classes to give him stability.
But Susan Sarandon noted the poor guy had nobody there to support him when he fell hard into addiction-his father was making a good recovery, but that was too late for his son-he was doomed from the start. What I didn't know is that his grandmother passed away 17 days after him-natural causes.

http://www.bostonherald.com/entertainment/movies/hollywood_mine/2008/05/susan_sarandon_brad_renfro

There is a sad passage about Renfro in Onika Pointer's memoir (Humble B--tard: A memoir). She talks about her friends, actors, singers, etc. And one tale she tells of Renfro and an incident that occurred with someone called 'Ryan' during the making of Apt Pupil. She talks about how, as he told the story, she became sick to her stomach, crying. A few of those in her book didn't survive far into childhood-Renfro was one of em. In 1998, the year of Apt Pupil's release, was Renfro's first arrest-posession of marijuana and cocaine. (Also, according to imdb, Renfro was only 14 at the time of filming Apt Pupil).

Amanda Petersen probably suffered a similar fate. She fell into drug problems, eventually dying of the addiction. Months after her passing, her parents revealed she had been raped when she was 15, and never sought a prosecution. Keeping that bottled up must have been torture.

https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/amanda-petersons-family-reveal-horrific-rape-secret-after-tragic-deat-2015159/

JohnFalstaff

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

There is a sad passage about Renfro in Onika Pointer's memoir (Humble B--tard: A memoir). She talks about her friends, actors, singers, etc. And one tale she tells of Renfro and an incident that occurred with someone called 'Ryan' during the making of Apt Pupil.

Ryan or Bryan?
http://ew.com/article/1997/05/02/indecent-proposal-set-apt-pupil/

RabbleRouser2k

JohnFalstaff wrote: »

Ryan or Bryan?
http://ew.com/article/1997/05/02/indecent-proposal-set-apt-pupil/

She calls him 'Ryan' in the book-but we all know who she's talking about.

[Deleted User]

Coupla things.

We've all been conditioned to believe the narrative that successful people tend to burn out. At least celebrities. Why is that? Successful business people tend to keep going, sometimes fueled by drugs but celebrities burn out, especially when they make it big at a young age.

Also I was watching an episode of Family Guy from a few weeks ago (before the Weinsten stuff) and they make a joke about Kevin Spacey along the lines of "I was just walking my dog in the park". I'd be super disappointed if it was all true but there's stories about Spacey knocking about and it just got me wondering if it's another case of an open secret and "hiding in plain sight" considering his House of Cards character.

Billy86

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Haim , today, is calling for people to come forward with things they witnessed to end paedophilia in Hollywood.

I'm guessing you mean Feldman, Corey Haim sadly died in 2010. I'd imagine if the rumours are to be believed (and I'd very much lean toward that), he must have been passed around in the most horrific and frantic manner imaginable as well because while both had the whole teen heartthrob thing going on, Corey Haim really was an impossibly good looking young lad (this is when he was 14/15).

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It's just so ****in upsetting looking at photos of either of them/both of them as kids now.

brooke 2

Riddle101 wrote: »

Not sure how the pedophile scandal was kept secret for so long. I remember Corey Feldman and Elijah Wood speaking out against it. Never seemed to get much attention though.

http://people.com/celebrity/corey-feldman-on-child-sexual-abuse-in-hollywood-and-corey-haim/

Didn't Barbara Walters ask Corey Feldman if he wanted to 'destroy the industry' when he tried to speak out about the sexual abuse of child stars? She was also
an apologist for Woody Allen. :mad:

Outlaw Pete

They had a reality TV show called The Two Coreys back in the mid to late noughties I used to watch. Worth watching if you can find it online. Runs about 10 hours in total if watch all the shows back to back.

Anyway, this scene is one of the most unforgettable scenes of it where the abuse is mentioned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlZxPPzjIb0

B.A._Baracus

Accordingly inside rumors are that gwyneth paltrow was one of the women who slept with him for a part. Who knows if true but it's out there.

Also there are mumblings that other famous actresses slept with him but aren't so fourth-coming with that. I guess the idea being it is one thing to say he sexual assaulted them but then, in actual fact, revealing more took place.

RabbleRouser2k

Billy86 wrote: »

I'm guessing you mean Feldman, Corey Haim sadly died in 2010. I'd imagine if the rumours are to be believed (and I'd very much lean toward that), he must have been passed around in the most horrific and frantic manner imaginable as well because while both had the whole teen heartthrob thing going on, Corey Haim really was an impossibly good looking young lad (this is when he was 14/15).

It's just so ****in upsetting looking at photos of either of them/both of them as kids now.

Yeah, I meant Feldman. Haim and Feldman were supposedly just passed around, and unfortunately it was well known in Hollywood, about the abuse they received. I think one actress (she was young at the time)has said she'd heard about it. Haim more than likely got the worst of it-but he wasn't alone. Molly Ringwald has a few stories-hence why she quit the industry.

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/10/20/is-hollywoods-next-scandal-the-pedophilia-ring-that-corey-feldman-has-long-talked-about/

Deleted User wrote: »

Coupla things.

We've all been conditioned to believe the narrative that successful people tend to burn out. At least celebrities. Why is that? Successful business people tend to keep going, sometimes fueled by drugs but celebrities burn out, especially when they make it big at a young age.

Also I was watching an episode of Family Guy from a few weeks ago (before the Weinsten stuff) and they make a joke about Kevin Spacey along the lines of "I was just walking my dog in the park". I'd be super disappointed if it was all true but there's stories about Spacey knocking about and it just got me wondering if it's another case of an open secret and "hiding in plain sight" considering his House of Cards character.

Yeah, I've seen similar. In certain industries like Visual and Make-Up Effects, and animation, burn out does happen, sadly. And that's an industry wide problem.
The 'childhood prodigy' thing has actually been studied. It's not uncommon for burn out to set in. Across the board, be it music, acting, art, medicine-burn out happens all too often with children. And it often leads to a deep depression.

I'm thinking Spacey will be found out sooner or later-nothing stays a secret for long. And he's at the stage where he's not a money maker for Hollywood anymore. He can be a supporting player-but he's not a lead.
Plus, more and more people are challenging him about his 'lifestyle'. His dad was a pervert too, so it runs in the family.
Twitter alone has tons of stories about him, which he doesn't address, and instead blocks.