kylith wrote: » It is simply the fact that, in Ireland in the 21st century, a woman who is pregnant as a result of rape and procures an abortion LEGALLY CAN be sent to jail for longer than the person who raped her. That is a despicable thing.
thee glitz wrote: » It's not true though.
The Legend Of Kira wrote: » Over the last month we have seen 3 pro life public meetings get canceled due to pressure & threats,
January wrote: » Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't or cant happen.
uptherebels wrote: » you have a source for those threats?
freshpopcorn wrote: » What will happen if the repeal campaign fails?
freshpopcorn wrote: » I think wording will play a big part in this and that repealing with out knowing what exactly the 8th will be replaced with won't help the repeal campaign.
Zubeneschamali wrote: » We go again in 10 years when more 8th fans are dead.
NuMarvel wrote: » They wanted to imprison a pregnant girl and the father of her child even though neither of them appeared to have broken any laws. Those are not the opinions of rational people.
Sheeps wrote: » What was the pregnant woman's name?
freshpopcorn wrote: » I think wording will play a big part in this and that repealing with out knowing what exactly the 8th will be replaced with won't help the repeal campaign. What will happen if the repeal campaign fails? If it's by a good few percent will people be saying it's a land slide No similar to people saying it was a landslide Yes with the marriage referendum?
eviltwin wrote: » Why does it needs to be replaced by anything? I agree though it's pointless have repeated threads on abortion and the referendum when we don't as yet know what we are being asked to vote on.
freshpopcorn wrote: » Well from speaking to people/etc some people would happy voting to allow abortion in the cases of FFA for example and they'd like to be able to vote on the day for this. If the vote was just to repeal/remove the 8th the government could legislate to allow abortions in cases that they wouldn't feel comfortable with. So, they'd probably end up voting no! Does that make sense?
NuMarvel wrote: » I don't think people realise that a constitution is not an appropriate place to deal with complex clinical and moral issues. Look at what the 8th has done; it's 43 pretty straightforward words, and we've had 4 subsequent referendums, with at least one more on the way. Saying we should put something as complicated as FFA in there is basically saying please sir, lets have more referendums. Issues like this are more appropriately dealt with by parliaments and politicians. And while I can understand why people might be uncomfortable with that, they have to appreciate the alternative is worse. And besides, it's not as if people are completely without a voice. If a government legislates in a way people aren't happy with, they can be voted out and replaced.
Tigger wrote: » clearly crazy people
freshpopcorn wrote: » Well in my opinion if the referendum is simply removing the 8th amendment and allowing the government to legislate.It will be a major advantage for the keep the 8th side because they can simply say oh the government can legalese for abortion in all cases/etc.
captbarnacles wrote: » Had the first door to door campaigners this week from the save the 8th side and they were mostly pleasant, one walked off when I said I'd be voting to repeal and the other stayed to discuss. The discussion was mainly her trying to convince me abortions at 8 months plus happen all the time in England including for D babies. A man came over to join her after awhile. Both said they would imprison a suicidal girl if she wanted to go to England no matter how she became pregnant but they would send the offending father to jail forever as if that balanced it out?
The Legend Of Kira wrote: » Out of interest, what age demographic were the save the 8th canvassers ?
Strazdas wrote: » It's extraordinary that Ireland is tying itself up in knots in 2017 trying to legislate for this. It's making us look like the most dysfunctional country in Europe by some distance. Main problem is that political parties seem petrified of a voter backlash if they step out of line.
Dotsie~tmp wrote: » http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/poll Any opinions on how the Ref might play out? Looks like a difficult one for repeal if question is overly liberal.
mahamageehad wrote: » So the committee voted tonight 15 to 5 (3 nos and 2 abstained) to not keep the 8th in it's current form. It's not repeal, but it is an acknowledgement that the status quo is no longer acceptable. The next stage is that 6 options on what to do next - premutations of repeal, replace etc. will be investigated.
