Hotblack Desiato wrote: » People forget that the 8th was only passed by a margin of 2 to 1 even though this was 1983, when the catholic church's influence was still at its height and only 4 years after the mass hysteria of the pope's visit. At that time, the only experience most people had of abortion was their local priest telling them how evil it was. In Dublin it was only passed by the narrowest of margins, 51% to 49%.
Ulysses Gaze wrote: » It seems you and your ilk have learned to sum of sweet **** all from both Trump winning the Presidency and the Brexit vote. If you, and the Pro-Choice crowd, continue insulting those who disagree with you, and more importantly those on the fence, you are cast iron-guaranteeing to lose any referendum on this topic.
freshpopcorn wrote: » What would have me concerned would be the result of the marriage referendum and it passing by just over 12%. If it passed by 20% or so I'd say it pass no problem but I can see lots of rural constituencies going No and it will take the cities/commuter counties to pass it. Unless the keep campaign runs a terrible campaign, I wouldn't be counting on it passing just yet.
Simi wrote: » The margin was 24.14% not 12%. I would expect a repeal vote to carry in Dublin and the commuter belt, but I'd expect a no in most other counties tbh. I'd still expect it to still be a yes overall, but by a slimmer margin than the marriage equality referendum.
backspin. wrote: Repeal the 8th types seem to be the same people who spout nonsense about the 'patriarchy', 'white privilege' etc. Its hard to support those people.
backspin. wrote: » Repeal the 8th types seem to be the same people who spout nonsense about the 'patriarchy', 'white privilege' etc. Its hard to support those people.
January wrote: » Contraception is not 100% effective. People who are married cannot give their offspring up for adoption unless they declare themselves unfit to parent, this can affect offspring already being raised or future offspring.
Martina1991 wrote: » It's about giving women the right to choose what happens to their bodies.
Geuze wrote: » Do we all have the right to do what we like with our bodies? Should we? If I walk into the hospital and ask for my leg to be cut off, should that be done?
backspin. wrote: » I haven't looked into it and don't know which way i'll vote or if i'll vote at all. But if i see some blue haired harridan in the run up to the vote gassing about the patriarchy it could influence my decision. That's all i'm saying.
Geuze wrote: Do we all have the right to do what we like with our bodies?
Geuze wrote: If I walk into the hospital and ask for my leg to be cut off, should that be done?
eviltwin wrote: » Geuze wrote: » Do we all have the right to do what we like with our bodies? Should we? If I walk into the hospital and ask for my leg to be cut off, should that be done? Does most of the developed world and organisations like Amnesty and the WHO advocate for people who want their limbs removed? If you decide to cut your own leg off are you facing a criminal conviction and a potential 14 yr prison sentence?
SafeSurfer wrote: » Can you provide an example of anyone imprisoned in the Republic of Ireland for procuring an abortion this millennium If the pro choice side want the pro life side to stop mentioning full term abortions because "they just don't happen", the pro choice side should stop arguing the 14 years imprisonment argument because similarly it just doesn't happen.
eviltwin wrote: » The 14 yrs is on the statute books since POLPA. Just because it hasn't been enforced doesn't mean it won't scare some vulnerable woman who has no means to travel.
Tigger wrote: » if people who are married with kids are going to have abortions because they cant give away tgeir babies they shouldnt have futire offspring
eviltwin wrote: » SafeSurfer wrote: » Can you provide an example of anyone imprisoned in the Republic of Ireland for procuring an abortion this millennium If the pro choice side want the pro life side to stop mentioning full term abortions because "they just don't happen", the pro choice side should stop arguing the 14 years imprisonment argument because similarly it just doesn't happen. The 14 yrs is on the statute books since POLPA. Just because it hasn't been enforced doesn't mean it won't scare some vulnerable woman who has no means to travel.
Crea wrote: » Tigger wrote: » if people who are married with kids are going to have abortions because they cant give away tgeir babies they shouldnt have futire offspring If only there was no such thing as an unplanned pregnancy. If only contraception didn't fail. If only women didn't become super fertile coming up to the menopause. Next your going to say married people shouldn't have sex which is my 13 year olds recommendation for unplanned pregnancy.
SafeSurfer wrote: » Lots of unplanned pregnancies result in a new loved, valued human being. Unplanned does not equal unwanted. We should not seek to consign human life to the level of the disposable society. Billions of humans have been unplanned but were born, been loved and loved others. If every unplanned baby was killed we would live in a pretty empty, predictable, sanitised world.
RayM wrote: » I wonder how people who favour the retention of the 8th Amendment would react if a close family member desperately wanted to have an abortion, and needed their help with the expense and practicalities of travelling (even something simple, like a lift to the airport). I mean, if their mind is absolutely 100% made up and no attempts at persuasion will change it (if anything, it's causing them more distress). Would you tell them that you're morally opposed to what they're doing and therefore cannot in any way facilitate their abortion? Or would you reluctantly accept that it's not about you and give them whatever help they've asked for? Your (honest) answer to this question should dictate how you vote.
RobertKK wrote: » and it is not all about their need, but my needs too.
frag420 wrote: » Awesome so we are getting somewhere, you realise that your needs are more important than the other persons and you are making a choice based on what's best for you! Now surely you should afford this right to women too no!?
