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Why is it normal/OK to be obese in Ireland?.

Stonedpilot

A genuine question.

The amount of people that are gargantuan on this Island is so high I'm surprised the island doesn't sink. It's seen as like a disease by many. I remember living in a houseshare with Eastern European girls and they often commented at how absurdly fat they thought Irish women are.

It's bizarre to me that in other countries it's seen as a problem and thus people try and sort it but here the people whom are tremendously overweight are seen to have an ailment,disease, are poor unfortunates etc like its the same as leukemia or something.

I remember Katie Hopkins was on the Late Late Show making the point you can't be happy and fat (I don't know I don't care frankly) but they cut to a obese lady in the audience who had only just opened her mouth and the audience were in rapturous applause. No matter what she said they would have clapped.
Katie asked the question 'Why are you clapping?. Are you clapping because she is overweight is that it?.'

That kinda sums up the attitude here. Being fat, unhealthy and obese is something to be proud of and God forbid anyone point out it's lunacy to be the size of a manatee.
Strange. Now I will say I have all the respect in the World for people who do something about it work out, eat healthy, get involved in classes, long walks etc. Fair play to them and well done. But then there are other folk whom see it as a God given right to be obese and to be angry with everyone, and to take up a seat and a half everytime they sit on a plane,bus or train squishing whomever is unfortunately beside them.
Had a few incidents recently where I seen very overweight people be angry with total strangers.

I mean I attended a talk recently and the guy doing it was so overweight he got tired standing up and walking around the lecture room!.

As far as I'm aware no country is as tolerant to obesity as Ireland, no way does France,Italy,Spain etc see it as the norm here.

Odd.

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givyjoe

pilly wrote: »

Which is the point I and other posters made. There are other factors. What's the abuse for?

Are you actually serious?! Abuse... who was I abusing.. Jesus?!

You stated what I said simply isn't true.. What i said was, that you cannot run calorie surplus and not put on weight/fat. Not sure what other factors you think are relevant to this point, there aren't any. That is the only point I was making in that post.

Stonedpilot

B0jangles wrote: »

Odd that all of your invented phrases are written in a woman's voice, especially given that the obesity issue is slightly worse among men than it is women.

Also your posts are generally very poorly informed and lack anything in the way of useful information or insight.

Sorry to be so brutal, but the truth must be told.

How can text on a screen be in a womans voice?.

:rolleyes:?????

If you think my posts are poorly informed or a load of shyte fair enough that's your opinion but opinions don't mean anything, everyone has one and most including yours and mine is a load of balls.
Stop being such a baby allowing my opinion get to you, my opinion it doesn't mean anything, neither does yours.It's just words reinforcing our egos.

Had to laugh at the last part 'sorry to be so brutal, but the truth must be told'.
It's an opinion and can never be eternal truth so you being brutal and truthful is a load of nonsense, especially in the context of people sharing opinions on a anonymous forum. To assume you are the bearer of brutal truth is so foolish concerning opinions.
Your narcissism couldn't be more self indulgent if you tried.

miece16

i hate fat people. big fat fatties

B0jangles

Stonedpilot wrote: »

How can text on a screen be in a womans voice?. :rolleyes:?????

If you think my posts are poorly informed or a load of shyte fair enough that's your opinion but opinions don't mean anything, everyone has one and most including yours and mine is a load of balls.
Stop being such a baby allowing my opinion get to you, my opinion it doesn't mean anything, neither does yours.It's just words reinforcing our egos.

Had to laugh at the last part 'sorry to be so brutal, but the truth must be told'.
It's an opinion and can never be eternal truth so you being brutal and truthful is a load of nonsense, especially in the context of people sharing opinions on a anonymous forum. To assume you are the bearer of brutal truth is so foolish concerning opinions.
Your narcissism couldn't be more self indulgent if you tried.

1.) https://www.thebalance.com/what-is-voice-in-fiction-writing-1277142

2.) Nice meltdown.

Bambi985

pilly wrote: »

That is simply not true though. We all know people who eat like pigs, do no exercise and they're still slim. My brother could eat 2 dinners in a row, wouldn't so much as run for a bus and he's skinny as a lathe so there are definitely other factors at play there.

I used to think this too. Then I had a closer look at the "can eat for Ireland and not a pick on them" folks that I knew - in particular a very slim cousin who ate constantly - and noticed a few things going on behind the scenes.

First off, she was a hard-core fidgeter, non-stop moving her body even when she was sitting down, swinging her legs, tapping her fingers, pacing up and down when she was on the phone, little movements that were so constant that they'd obviously add up to a low level calorie-burn at all times.

Then I realised that her eating "whatever she wants" in reality actually was "what she needs". She might binge on a mountain of junk food in front of me, but then she'd have a small snack instead of dinner later. She regulated her intake a lot more efficiently, ate what she felt like when she was hungry but simply wouldn't eat if she wasn't hungry. No emotional eating going on and the sizeable meals would be offset by all the fidgeting and her having a physical job.

And thirdly, she came from a slim family who treated food and their body in the same manner, there to be enjoyed but not abused, and any genetic advantage that gave her from the perspective of no predisposition towards weight gain. Weight issues run in families a large part of the time.

The reality is that you probably aren't aware that most people you consider to be able to eat whatever they want actually maintain a net energy balance of near 0 kcal or otherwise they simply would gain weight.

Stonedpilot

B0jangles wrote: »

1.) https://www.thebalance.com/what-is-voice-in-fiction-writing-1277142

2.) Nice meltdown.

I think it shows how insanely narcissistic you are that you assume your opinion is 'the brutal truth':rolleyes: LOL and when someone points out how ridiculous this is you childishly say meltdown.

Stonedpilot

AnneFrank wrote: »

there is so many obese people in my job, all under 30,
It's disgusting to be honest, and they get a chipper nearly every day at lunch.
Then chocolate all day, i really don't know how they do it

Careful now, you will have the PC brigade jumping down your throat accusing you of being sexist, misogynist, fatist, a war criminal, working for North Korea and whatever other nonsense they can make up as they don't like your candor.:p

Hector Bellend

I'm a fattie. F**k all of yiz

miece16

Hector Bellend wrote: »

I'm a fattie. F**k all of yiz

**** ye, ya fat bollix. have a salad

Stonedpilot

Hector Bellend wrote: »

I'm a fattie. F**k all of yiz

Haha fair juice. :pac:

buck65

I skipped most of the other 11 pages so perhaps this has been mentioned.
The reason we are fat is carbs for the most part, we need to reduce our reliance on carbs. I've done this and lost half a stone in a few months without starving myself.

Skip the muffins, scones etc. I have 3 slices of the low g i or reduced calorie bread every day along with a regular amount of spud or pasta or brown rice for dinner so I'm certainly not avoiding carbs but avoid the scones, cakes etc.

A little bit of chocolate in the evening isn't bad and I find dried fruit excellent for my sweet tooth as well.

Fecking sugary soda drinks are awful too, I see kids drinking muck like Lucozade sport thinking it is good for them! it's absolute shyte and has zero sporting benefits also.

Strawberry or chocolate milk is a lot better as a treat or a well diluted juice drink also. Kids need water.

pilly

Stonedpilot wrote: »

I think it shows how insanely narcissistic you are that you assume your opinion is 'the brutal truth':rolleyes: LOL and when someone points out how ridiculous this is you childishly say meltdown.

You do realise you're showing yourself up now don't you? Increasingly hysterical posts with silly pictures? Really?

AnneFrank

the reason people are fat is because they eat too much

mathie

buck65 wrote: »

I skipped most of the other 11 pages so perhaps this has been mentioned.
The reason we are fat is carbs for the most part, we need to reduce our reliance on carbs. I've done this and lost half a stone in a few months without starving myself.

Skip the muffins, scones etc. I have 3 slices of the low g i or reduced calorie bread every day along with a regular amount of spud or pasta or brown rice for dinner so I'm certainly not avoiding carbs but avoid the scones, cakes etc.

A little bit of chocolate in the evening isn't bad and I find dried fruit excellent for my sweet tooth as well.

Fecking sugary soda drinks are awful too, I see kids drinking muck like Lucozade sport thinking it is good for them! it's absolute shyte and has zero sporting benefits also.

Strawberry or chocolate milk is a lot better as a treat or a well diluted juice drink also. Kids need water.

If carbs make you fat then why does Asia not have an obesity epidemic?

No one food group makes you fat or skinny.
For the most part its caloric balance. There are other factors such as hormones (insulin thyroid cortisol etc)

There is a distinction between carbs that you are getting at with "scones, cakes".

Some fruits and vegetables are "high carb".

Romantic Rose

Too many things to mention that is making us fat.

I don't think it's just the carbs because we grew up on carbs and none of us were fat.

I just find that everything is an excuse to eat and eat crap at that.

Have a cup of tea/coffee biscuits and cake.

Parents are so bad for feeding their children chips, nuggets, burgers. It's like a broken record. Developing poor habits early.

Birthday parties on a near weekly basis with mountains of sweets, crisps, pizza, chocolate, fizzy drinks. Pure saturated fat everywhere.

Junk junk and more junk. No such thing as a treat, just food to fill up with.

Also, food companies pump far too much crap into our food and are being allowed to get away with it. Processed to maximise profit and get us addicted.

Agree about the fizzy drinks. Why the fook are there 14 or whatever teaspoons of sugar in a bottle of Lucozade. Absolute disgrace that a company can get away with that and market it in anyway healthy.

Where are the government here.

Need more companies like Chopped to balance out the Fatty Fast Food Outlets that are on every street corner these days.

Nettle Soup

Hitman3000 wrote: »

The waist measurement is far simpler for the average person to come to grasp with. The BMI tbh is dated.

BMI is not dated. It is certainly flawed i.e. it is possible to have a high BMI (>25~) and still be perfectly fit and healthy.

BMI is a good indication for the average person.

Nettle Soup

Parents all around Ireland are passing on to their kids that it's ok to eat rubbish food (you rarely see healthy options at a kids party).

Wibbs

Bambi985 wrote: »

I used to think this too. Then I had a closer look at the "can eat for Ireland and not a pick on them" folks that I knew - in particular a very slim cousin who ate constantly - and noticed a few things going on behind the scenes.

First off, she was a hard-core fidgeter, non-stop moving her body even when she was sitting down, swinging her legs, tapping her fingers, pacing up and down when she was on the phone, little movements that were so constant that they'd obviously add up to a low level calorie-burn at all times.

Then I realised that her eating "whatever she wants" in reality actually was "what she needs". She might binge on a mountain of junk food in front of me, but then she'd have a small snack instead of dinner later. She regulated her intake a lot more efficiently, ate what she felt like when she was hungry but simply wouldn't eat if she wasn't hungry. No emotional eating going on and the sizeable meals would be offset by all the fidgeting and her having a physical job.

And thirdly, she came from a slim family who treated food and their body in the same manner, there to be enjoyed but not abused, and any genetic advantage that gave her from the perspective of no predisposition towards weight gain. Weight issues run in families a large part of the time.

The reality is that you probably aren't aware that most people you consider to be able to eat whatever they want actually maintain a net energy balance of near 0 kcal or otherwise they simply would gain weight.

This. So much this. The number of times I've heard comments on thin people along those lines is a large number indeed. Because this is a widely believed notion that "x can eat what they like and stay skinny", people are very prone to selection bias. So they'll see the big fry up the thin person eats and ignore the fact that they ate little else for the rest of the day. It also moves responsibility elsewhere. Ah sure it's my genes/metabolism etc. And it's not just fat people who believe this I've heard the same thing from thin people.

There have been a few studies on this and what has been consistently found is overweight people underestimate their calorie intake, underweight people overestimate it and average weight people are the most accurate at estimating their calorie intake.

I'm thin. I don't exercise on purpose, so it's not that(though I do tend to fidget). Basically I have a small appetite and eat feck all. EG today I've had a boiled egg for breakfast, a small steak for lunch and will have a salad later and cups of tea throughout and that's going to be it(I rarely snack). Less than average and much less than fatter people I know.

Hitman3000

Nettle Soup wrote:

BMI is a good indication for the average person.

Several recent studies contradict what you say. There are several better indicators waist measurement being just one.

Romantic Rose

Nettle Soup wrote: »

Parents all around Ireland are passing on to their kids that it's ok to eat rubbish food (you rarely see healthy options at a kids party).

Poor cardboard diet. Even parents who look slim and healthy themselves still feed their children crap.

I go out for lunch regularly but I would never give my children chips or pizza or nuggets etc.

It's just lazy and convenience all the way.

LirW

Except your kid is a little sh1t like mine who at the moment would love to live off Spaghetti Bolognese and Toast and if I put a plate with anything veg down he prefers to go to bed instead of eating it :mad:
No matter what, I'll win this fight, I'll win.

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Good to know as a fat bastard that I'm in the right country anyway.

Hector Bellend

miece16 wrote: »

**** ye, ya fat bollix. have a salad

There there hunny bunny. Faaaaaaaaaaaack off.

Hector Bellend

AnneFrank wrote: »

the reason people are fat is because they eat too much

Inspector Morse over here

Romantic Rose

LirW wrote: »

Except your kid is a little sh1t like mine who at the moment would love to live off Spaghetti Bolognese and Toast and if I put a plate with anything veg down he prefers to go to bed instead of eating it :mad:
No matter what, I'll win this fight, I'll win.

I hear people say this about their children. Oh they won't eat veg or fruit. The reason they won't eat veg is because you got them addicted to salt and sugar from an early age. Then you tried to throw them a few carrots out of guilt and they weren't having any of it.

Both my children are a pleasure to feed. The only thing my 4 year old won't eat is cherry tomatoes.

But then I spent hours meticulously planning, shopping and cooking their meals for them.

Not did what was convenient to me and bong oven chips in on high heat for 20 minutes.

Sorry I'm not aiming this at you but just an observation I have made many times with parents in Ireland.

pilly

Romantic Rose wrote: »

I hear people say this about their children. Oh they won't eat veg or fruit. The reason they won't eat veg is because you got them addicted to salt and sugar from an early age. Then you tried to throw them a few carrots out of guilt and they weren't having any of it.

Both my children are a pleasure to feed. The only thing my 4 year old won't eat is cherry tomatoes.

But then I spent hours meticulously planning, shopping and cooking their meals for them.

Not did what was convenient to me and bong oven chips in on high heat for 20 minutes.

Sorry I'm not aiming this at you but just an observation I have made many times with parents in Ireland.

Not at all judgemental or pious. :rolleyes:

Romantic Rose

pilly wrote: »

Not at all judgemental or pious. :rolleyes:

Judgemental about food?

Hitman3000

Romantic Rose wrote:

But then I spent hours meticulously planning, shopping and cooking their meals for them.

That's brilliant for you, however not everyone is in a position to spend hours planning, shopping and cooking. Cutting out the sugary snacks and drinks goes a long way and takes little or no time just a strong will.

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Hitman3000

Romantic Rose wrote:

Judgemental about food?

Nope, other parents.