__..__ wrote: » What router do they give you with FTTH? Is it capable of 1000mbps wireless?
Avada wrote: » It's possible alright. Personally I'd like rid of them. I worked for one of the providers in customer service. Cleaning up their messes was soul destroying.
ED E wrote: » No. Only 60Ghz can give you wiGig and its been abandoned.
sean72 wrote: » Guys thanks for all the info on this thread. I have unfortunately though found out that although part of the FTTH roll out what I and I would imagine many throughout the country will find out is that what I am going to get is FTTC as I live within 1km of the exchange and my internet will come to the house via my existing copper line. Meaning I will receive a max of 100 mb/s, or around 50-70 as I live 460m from the exchange.
Deleted User wrote: » I suspect that FTTC is only an interim step in getting many onto high speed internet as fast as possible. Maybe when the rollout of rural FTTH is completed, they will then start the plan to "retire" copper entirely, then they will replace the copper links between the cabinets and the urban properties. That is likely to be about 10 years down the line. I'm sure more knowledgeable posters here will be able to provide a better guestemate.
sean72 wrote: » Can I ask if anyone know what are the packages available to customer like me with Eir. As the bottom package of FTTH is up to 150 mb/s surely this can't be offered to customers on FTTC as 150 as far as I understand is not possible. Are there other packages?
sean72 wrote: » Guys thanks for all the info on this thread. I have unfortunately though found out that although part of the FTTH roll out what I and I would imagine many throughout the country will find out is that what I am going to get is FTTC as I live within 1km of the exchange and my internet will come to the house via my existing copper line. Meaning I will receive a max of 100 mb/s, or around 50-70 as I live 460m from the exchange. Can I ask if anyone know what are the packages available to customer like me with Eir. As the bottom package of FTTH is up to 150 mb/s surely this can't be offered to customers on FTTC as 150 as far as I understand is not possible. Are there other packages?
Deleted User wrote: » I suspect that FTTC is only an interim step in getting many onto high speed internet as fast as possible. Maybe when the rollout of rural FTTH is completed, they will then start the plan to "retire" copper entirely, then they will replace the copper links between the cabinets and the urban properties. That is likely to be about 10 years down the line.
The Cush wrote: » Depends on how long it takes Comreg to get the necessary regulatory requirements in place to allow them remove the copper lines, this requires the agreement of the other users of the copper lines like Vodafone, Digiweb etc. Then, how long the will the transition be, rural areas should be all wired for fibre by 2022/23 with urban areas to follow, 8-10 years is probably a good guess for the end of copper.
Marlow wrote: » And by that time, SIRO for example will have the entire fiber infrastructure in place, Eir will have lost most of that business and it won't be feasable to invest that money. Obviously Eirs (foreign) investors are not interested to pump too much money back. /M
Marlow wrote: » And by that time, SIRO for example will have the entire fiber infrastructure in place, Eir will have lost most of that business and it won't be feasable to invest that money. Obviously Eirs (foreign) investors are not interested to pump too much money back.
rob808 wrote: » I don't know about that looking at how slow siro urban rollout looking at the moment. There not going to hit there target of finishing by the end of 2018.
ED E wrote: » Unfortunately lying dirtbags at the door do make sales and a certain percentage don't complain. Once one provider does it all need to to keep up the arms race.
Marlow wrote: » And you think Eir is hitting their target ? I've heard something of approx 44 actual installations a week ... nationwide .. when it comes to Eir and OpenEIR FTTH. Was supported to be over 400 a week. From what I'm looking at, SIRO is making a better job of it at the moment. /M
Allison Puny Appetite wrote: » They have made a commercial decision to overbuild in urban areas predominantly served by FTTC and Virgin's HFC. They seem to have been completely outfoxed by eir's decision to connect 300,000 rural premises, leaving their NBP in doubt. If they wish to continue in the process they will most likely have to use eir's network to reach intervention areas. They have done nothing (perhaps bar existing) to further the spread of high speed broadband to rural areas.
Jpmarn wrote: » If there any sales staff lying through their teeth is is a sign that they are under pressure. Probably trying to earn enough commissions in order to pay their own bills.
Westnet: Paul wrote: » No, we don't. Some of us take a longer view and realise that once you've alienated a potential customer by lying to them on the first contact, it's almost impossible to regain that trust. Maybe some of the bigger providers figure that it's a worthwhile tradeoff, but we don't. We accept that we'll lose some initial sales to unscrupulous tactics, but hopefully we'll be able to win back some disillusioned customers at a later date. As I've often said: we have nothing to fear from competition, as long as it's on a level playing field.
__..__ wrote: » So no point getting 1000meg then? Why don't they offer a package that goes uo to their top router wifi speed?
Marlow wrote: » I think you confuse things here. SIRO is not a provider. They provide a wholesale platform to other providers, like for example Vodafone. They do not sell to the retail customer directly .. ever. Each and every provider on the SIRO platform has the same access and they differ based on their products and their backbone to the areas, that SIRO provides the last mile into. So what SIRO is doing makes absolutely sense. They build a platform, where there otherwise is nothing else available, as Virgin won't allow wholesale and FTTC isn't comparable to FTTH. These providers can then choose to either add OpenEIR FTTH to cover rural areas (and move customers to the SIRO platform at a later date), to wait for SIRO to cover these areas or to connect customers by other means. But it does mean, that Eir actually gets the rug pulled away under their feet. First by Virgin, now by SIRO based operators. Eirs rural FTTH build-out on the other hand is random at best and the only purpose that can be seen from where they deploy is to undermine the NBP. But not actually to archieve blanket coverage in these areas. /M
Allison Puny Appetite wrote: » You call eir's build random. The same could be said of SIRO, plus the fact that they are building in already serviced areas. If eir win both NBP lots they will control a vast swathe of the country for years to come. What is to stop them then pushing back into urban areas usurping SIRO?
Marlow wrote: » For them to do that, they would need to work on their pricing first. SIROs pricing to other providers (opposed to OpenEir) is the pricing that OpenEIR had last or 2 years ago until they hiked their wholesale pricing. That means, that providers on SIRO can actually price quite competitive opposed to providers based on OpenEIR or EIR themselves. People cling to the NBP, when it's just the 3rd (or 4th) useless government attempt at archieving nothing and wasting tax money. Why would you think, that this attempt would be successful in any way, when any previous attempt first got budget cuts, and then failed, as it was half baked or worse in the first place ? Any provider can build out anywhere (with or without the NBP) at any given time. And the funding that the NBP provides may not necessarily make it feasable. Eir's build-out has one aim: removing areas from the NBP, so that other providers who may win the NBP don't get funding for those areas. /M
Marlow wrote: » __..__ wrote: » What router do they give you with FTTH? Is it capable of 1000mbps wireless? ED E wrote: » No. Only 60Ghz can give you wiGig and its been abandoned. On top of that, even if the router was capable of WiGig, most wireless devices in phones, tablets and laptops would still not be capable to utilize that. I have managed to squeeze a Samsung S5 to 400 mbit/s on a SIRO Gigabit connection though (Nevermind the status of the phone being 4G. The test was done on a Samsung S5, using a Fritz!Box 7560 on a SIRO based 1000/200 connection.) On the Ethernet side, that router will provide Gbit/s no problem. /M
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