Sonny678 wrote: » Did the ref rob Cork in 88 .
Tommy Max wrote: » Bonniedog If that's what ye need to do to win then its a bit pointless even mentioning that team in the same sentence as the great Kerry side. Your lack of a response was exactly what I expected. My points proven.
Sephiral wrote: » They've won three in a row with a team with a very young age profile. They will be around for years with more youngsters to bring in to keep things fresh. There is every chance they will challenge Kerry 75-86 for the greatest team ever mantle. As for the level of competition, the truth is that Ulster is the only competitive province and that the increasing levels of professionalism are making the game tiered between those with the resources and commitment to compete at a higher level and those that don't. Oh, and seeing as everyone is on board for a whinge, Donegal would have won Sam in 2012 if Karl Lacey hadn'y been taken out of it in the AL semi. :mad:
Sonny678 wrote: » It is a definate record for the greatst team ever for the same referee to give 2 frees in injury time in 2 different finals to the same team. Joe was ref in 2011 final and was ref in 2017 final both times Dublin won the All Ireland with frees in injury time to win an All Ireland by a single point. That is definatly a GAA record . No team has ever won 2 All Ireland in injury time with frees from the same ref. The greatest team ever my arse. No all time great team has such flawed pedigree but the New Zealand of gaelic football cannot or shall not be criticised.
Bonniedog wrote: Well off top of head, O'Rourke was in square for goal that won Leinster title for you boys in 1990..., but we don't dwell on the past :-)
Bonniedog wrote: » So throwing a metal object at a freetaker is just a bit of crack then?Much of Dublin behaviour in last two minutes - actually Mayo Joe extended to 5 - was in reaction to what Keegan did,
Sonny678 wrote: » If Dublin won ten in row. They would be greatest team in the history of sport. Its simple for Dublin to be the greatest they have to win a 5 in a row or 9 All Irelands. Simple as. Then no one can question any achievements. Kerry had to face Cork from 1975 - 1986. Cork from 1975 to 86 where a top divsion 1 team. Dublin have not had to face a top Division 1 team in leinster since early noughties. Cork where for many of those years the third best team in country. Dublin this decade have never had opposition in leinster that where in the top 3. Again you have to go back to 2001 that a team in leinster was in the top 3 teams in the country other then Dublin . Kerry had tougher opposition in Munster in 75 to 86 then Dublin have had in leinster 2011 to 17.. Dublin face the easiest / the worst leinster championship ever. And Dublin are one of the few All Ireland teams in history that don't have top div 1 team in their provience .. And in the last 70 years I cannot think of any All Ireland winner who had no top div 1 team in their province other then Dublin. So this argument thrown at kerry having a easy provience. Is even more relevant to Dublin.
BonnieSituation wrote: With all this talk of Leinster being historically weak why is it never thrown at the "great" Kerry teams that they only had to maybe play Clare or Waterford or Tipp or Limerick then Cork in a Munster final and then into an AISF.
Sonny678 wrote: » Its not talk it's a fact leinster is historically weak. Since independence Dublin are the only team in leinster that never had rival 1920 and 30s Dublin ( All Ireland winners had Kildare ( double All Ireland winners) 1940s and 50s Meath( Double All Ireland winners had Louth ( leinster champions and All Ireland winner in 57) and Dublin ( All.Ireland winners) 1960s Meath (All Ireland winners) had Offaly ( double All Ireland finalist) and longford ( leinster champions and national league div 1 champions) 1970s Dublin ( Treble All Ireland winners) had Offaly (All Ireland winners) and Meath ( Division 1 national league winners) 19 80s Meath ( double All Ireland winners ) had Dublin (leinster champions) and Laois ( national league div 1 champions) 1990s Meath ( double All Ireland winners) had Dublin ( All Ireland winner) Kildare ( All Ireland finalist) Offaly ( leinster champions and Division 1 national league champions) Noughties Dublin had Meath ( All Ireland finalist and leinster champions) Westmeath and Laois ( leinster champions) 2011 -2017 Dublin 5 times All Ireland champions have 0 All Ireland champions to face 0 All Ireland finalist to face 0 Leinster champions to face 0 League 1 div champions to face 0 div 1 opposition Simply put Dublin have easiest leinster championship ever. If the Dubs give out about the Kingdom easy route in Munster they are been hypocritical for Dublin have the easier provience ..have the weakest opposition of any All Ireland winner ever since Cavan in the 1930s.
Sonny678 wrote: » I think 2012 was a massive chance for Mayo. No Dublin or kerry in the final. But Donegal did what Kerry did to Mayo in 04 and 06. Blow them away in the first 15 mins. Which they did. But after that the game settled and Mayo played well . Mayo were actually the better team after the first 15 mins. But the damage was done in the first few mins. Donegal were very well.organisd . A brillant system under a terrific modern tactician manager. But without that system I think there were weaknesses in that Donegal outfit. Look how they were slaughtered the following year by Mayo. That was highly unusual for reigning champions. Of All the Ulster winner in the last 25 years I would rate 2012 team the weakest team. The 92 Donegal Team was stronger. So was Tyrone and Armagh and down teams. I think 2o12 was an example of charismatic individual and county merging as one. Like a movement our a cult for the want of a better word. Donegal players and supporters got behind MCGUINESS and it just clicked . Similar to Loughnane with Clare in 95 and Griffin with Wexford in 96. It was facinating to watch. McGuiness is one of most interesting GAA figures of recent times. Donegal is a fine county with friendly charming people. It is quite a unique county. I think McGuiness seemed to get the whole county to rise up in that period. Similar to Loughnane and Griffin.
BonnieSituation wrote: I'm not marching back to the 20s and 30s as they are pretty irrelevant. And personally I think football pre 1980 is practically irrelevant in certain senses... but...
Nidgeweasel wrote: » This rhetoric is trotted out all the time now. Mayo were apparently the better team (after they'd conceded 2-1 in 10 minutes.) It's drivel. They kicked 2 from play and 2 from frees in about 10 minutes near the end of the first half (2 of which were Hail Mary efforts) then offered nothing. Donegal kept them scoreless for combined total of 24 minutes out of the 35 in the second half and were comfortable throughout. Mayo the better team aye. .
Nidgeweasel wrote: This rhetoric is trotted out all the time now. Mayo were apparently the better team (after they'd conceded 2-1 in 10 minutes.)
Nidgeweasel wrote: It's drivel. They kicked 2 from play and 2 from frees in about 10 minutes near the end of the first half (2 of which were Hail Mary efforts) then offered nothing.
Nidgeweasel wrote: Donegal kept them scoreless for combined total of 24 minutes out of the 35 in the second half and were comfortable throughout. Mayo the better team aye.
Nidgeweasel wrote: And as for the weakest team from the last 25, more drivel. They went to 6 Ulster finals In a row something that nobody else in that period has done. And went to 2 AI finals in 3 years. Something that Derry and Donegal in 92 were unable to do.
Nidgeweasel wrote: They were butchered in 2013 because they were walking wounded and had an enormous reduction in participation in training throughout the year not to mention club championship ran off in the middle of the Ulster SFC. More pertinent to back and say once those problems were sorted out they were back in a final in 2014.
Sonny678 wrote: » Football prior to 1980 is irrelevant Football prior to 1980 IS IRRELEVANT FOOTBALL PRIOR TO 1980 IS IRRELEVANT THIS HAS TO BE THE MOST EXTRAORDINARY COMMENT I HAVE EVER HEARD UTTERED ABOUT GAA MATTER . TO PROVE A POINT A HUNDRED YEARS OF GAA, 20 DUBLIN ALL IRELANDS HAVE TO BE WIPED AWAY IRRELEVANT. UNBELIEVABLE.
The Talking Bread wrote: » Mayo kept Dublin scoreless for all but 5 minutes of the first half last year in the drawn match, doesn't mean they were the "better team" over all. How much did Donegal score in that period?
Nidgeweasel wrote: » During that little purple patch of 4 points? They got 1 themselves.https://youtu.be/WEWo-JKgqWs Full game there for anybody who wants to educate themselves. Mayo the better team
