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Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

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partyguinness

PhoneMain wrote: »

Yes they are for me. I was far from being around in 36, 50 or 51 so this is my point of reference. 1996 team could (and should) have been but they didn't win either. But that 1996 team were beaten by an inferior Kerry team, lost to a Galway team that won 2 all Ireland's when they could have won and were hammered by Cork in 1999. This team has played in 7 semi final's in a row and reached the final 4 times and were deeply unfortunate to lose the semi final's in 14 and 15 (14 more so). I definitely would not have thought that they'd go on this mammoth run in that time back in 2010.

Fair enough, they haven't collected Sam (yet) but as a county we only have 3 to go on so I wouldn't use that as a stick to beat them by. We've been spoiled the last few years, lets hope it can continue. Have we the young players coming through? Sure the likes of Harrison, DOC, Durcan are young but I'll ask again, have we the players coming through in the underage game to replace them? Can Coen, Loftus, Kirby replace Moran, Boyle, SOS when they retire? People are getting very dismissive of the likes of Kerry saying they're a long way behind us, any team that win's 4 minor's in a row will be pushing on in a few years time, especially when the likes of Jack Barry and Savage got decent game time. I'm not looking for a row or to be dismissive of these young players but it is a worry that when this team begins it's transition, it may be a longer transition than Kerry would have to go through.

Mayo and indeed Connaught has a great ability to bounce back.

I watched Cork annihilate Mayo in the 1993 semi-final. It was so bad that all the talk afterwards was about the death of not Mayo but Connaught football. There was even whispers about the need for the Connaught championship at all!!

Now that was only 3 years before 1996...so there is always doom and gloom at times like this. Sure I have had to listen to Kerrymen for the last 30 years bull****ting away about how bad things are and no talent coming through- broken record...:rolleyes:

Galway have just won the hurling.

PhoneMain

partyguinness wrote: »

Ah come on now. Don't be giving it the Golden Generation malarkey. Save that for when a team wins and the English tabloids.

Silver Generation?

Yes they are for me. I was far from being around in 36, 50 or 51 so this is my point of reference. 1996 team could (and should) have been but they didn't win either. But that 1996 team were beaten by an inferior Kerry team, lost to a Galway team that won 2 all Ireland's when they could have won and were hammered by Cork in 1999. This team has played in 7 semi final's in a row and reached the final 4 times and were deeply unfortunate to lose the semi final's in 14 and 15 (14 more so). I definitely would not have thought that they'd go on this mammoth run in that time back in 2010.

Fair enough, they haven't collected Sam (yet) but as a county we only have 3 to go on so I wouldn't use that as a stick to beat them by. We've been spoiled the last few years, lets hope it can continue. Have we the young players coming through? Sure the likes of Harrison, DOC, Durcan are young but I'll ask again, have we the players coming through in the underage game to replace them? Can Coen, Loftus, Kirby replace Moran, Boyle, SOS when they retire? People are getting very dismissive of the likes of Kerry saying they're a long way behind us, any team that win's 4 minor's in a row will be pushing on in a few years time, especially when the likes of Jack Barry and Savage got decent game time. I'm not looking for a row or to be dismissive of these young players but it is a worry that when this team begins it's transition, it may be a longer transition than Kerry would have to go through.

seligehgit

Ah I'm crestfallen for the team,this without doubt is the worst loss of the lot.

Not because I was overly optimistic,I was expecting a Dublin win in all probability.But that is the best performance by a Mayo team in an All Ireland final in recent years.Twas like a funeral procession for my fellow county men and women post the final whistle.Tis the hope that kills you.

No consolation to have lost to a truly great Dublin team,their bench won the day
Ended up in The Celt pub as a mate's other half was playing a music gig.It was like Guantanamo Bay.Had'nt the heart to go to the banquet.

Nice evening to show one's appreciation of players.

Another dark winter awaits ruminating over the ashes of an enjoyable yet ultimately heartbreaking campaign.

_Dara_

PhoneMain wrote: »

I have to say, this post makes me angry. Lest you forget, it was only 7 short years ago we were losing to Sligo and Longford in the championship. Dark and all that yesterday was, I never want to go back to the likes of that. We have a golden generation now that may not come around for a long time again and hopefully they get their ultimate prize before they finish up.

Look, I knew it wouldn't be a popular post but a lot of what I describe in my post is just reflexive. I'm not trying to feel that way.

Golden generation they might be but a lot of our best players are nearing retirement and their best years are already behind them. A golden generation would have won!

partyguinness

PhoneMain wrote: »

I have to say, this post makes me angry. Lest you forget, it was only 7 short years ago we were losing to Sligo and Longford in the championship. Dark and all that yesterday was, I never want to go back to the likes of that. We have a golden generation now that may not come around for a long time again and hopefully they get their ultimate prize before they finish up.

Ah come on now. Don't be giving it the Golden Generation malarkey. Save that for when a team wins and the English tabloids.

Silver Generation?

PhoneMain

_Dara_ wrote: »

I'm forever saying this, if we're to lose, I much prefer a hammering. When that happens, it's less agonising and there is absolutely no doubt that the best team won.

I know but at this stage and actually for the last few All-Irelands, I've viewed Mayo making the final with nothing but dread. I used to feel as excited as anyone at it, now it's just groan-inducing to me. That ain't good. And the platitudes from neutrals before the final and after the inevitable loss just are so sickening at this stage. I know what I'm about to say will be unpopular but I'm actually almost allergic to us making finals at this stage. It's made me hypersensitive or something but now it's almost unbearable. :P My hubs will tell you but I actually let out a sad sigh at the final whistle against Kerry.

I have to say, this post makes me angry. Lest you forget, it was only 7 short years ago we were losing to Sligo and Longford in the championship. Dark and all that yesterday was, I never want to go back to the likes of that. We have a golden generation now that may not come around for a long time again and hopefully they get their ultimate prize before they finish up.

partyguinness

I really am gutted for Mayo. I have lots of buddies from Mayo and enough is enough really.

In fact I wouldn't even feel this bad if my beloved Cork had lost but that's prob because I have seen plenty of All Irelands in both hurling and football. As Jay said, when the shops in Cork run out of change they chuck All Ireland hurling medals back at you.

_Dara_

blinding wrote: »

Within a break of a ball of GAA heaven yesterday .

Those fine margins never go our way though. We are never on the right side. I dunno, 2006-2011 was a lean time for us and it was almost a relief!

I think a lot of it is down to the slightly OTT support. I honestly think that puts a lot of pressure on the lads. The more times we lose, the more intense a faction of our supporters get. C'mon, you know what I mean. Just be cool, people!

The players are great, I really don't know how they do it. So I'm not criticising them at all.

blinding

_Dara_ wrote: »

I'm forever saying this, if we're to lose, I much prefer a hammering. When that happens, it's less agonising and there is absolutely no doubt that the best team won.

I know but at this stage and actually for the last few All-Irelands, I've viewed Mayo making the final with nothing but dread. I used to feel as excited as anyone at it, now it's just groan-inducing to me. That ain't good. And the platitudes from neutrals before the final and after the inevitable loss just are so sickening at this stage. I know what I'm about to say will be unpopular but I'm actually almost allergic to us making finals at this stage. It's made me hypersensitive or something but now it's almost unbearable. :P My hubs will tell you but I actually let out a sad sigh at the final whistle against Kerry.

Within a break of a ball of GAA heaven yesterday .

We will miss these days immensely if /when they go away .

A long Summer of adventure and Possibility . We have a Great Bunch of Lads representing Mayo and I doubt they would ever turn down our support .

_Dara_

Deleted User wrote: »

Still feel like getting sick this morning, i'd rather we lose by 10 then this. Don't know how the players can come back after that.

I'm forever saying this, if we're to lose, I much prefer a hammering. When that happens, it's less agonising and there is absolutely no doubt that the best team won.

Shurimgreat wrote: »

If there is any consolation, supporters from most counties will never see their team play in an AI final and rarely see them play in Croke Park.

I know but at this stage and actually for the last few All-Irelands, I've viewed Mayo making the final with nothing but dread. I used to feel as excited as anyone at it, now it's just groan-inducing to me. That ain't good. And the platitudes from neutrals before the final and after the inevitable loss just are so sickening at this stage. I know what I'm about to say will be unpopular but I'm actually almost allergic to us making finals at this stage. It's made me hypersensitive or something but now it's almost unbearable. :P My hubs will tell you but I actually let out a sad sigh at the final whistle against Kerry.

partyguinness

I should qualify my earlier post.

I wasn't having a go at Mayo- there is no team in country as efficient as Dublin and Mayo were as good as any team to try to put it up to them but Dublin as simply more clinical.

I know it was flagged in press beforehand but it seemed that every sub they brought on made a a crucial impact.

jr86

partyguinness wrote: »

I had to watch on Sky Sports as living in England.

What was noticeable even early in the first half was that Dublin were getting their scores a lot easier than Mayo. When you see that you know that Dublin had another gear to move into.

We've seen it so many times over the years with teams playing against Kilkenny (or even Kerry a few years back)- the other team may be ahead by a point or two but they are working to the absolute max and for Kilkenney just to saunter down the pitch and pop over a few scores and pull away.

Very good teams make it look easy because they are efficient. Mayo are not efficient ball players.

When mayo gave the ball away in the second half at any stage you just knew a dubs score was coming. I can't ever remember a team as clinical

I really think itll be a long, long time before they lose a championship game again as depressing as it sounds for mayo supporters

partyguinness

jr86 wrote: »

Yeah mayo needed the next score really like they needed to push on after drawing level in the second half of the drawn game last year

I don't often agree with brolly but he's dead right that this mayo team is the best at coming from behind but not when in front

There's a lot of what ifs but lets be honest dublin took their scores far better and are lightyears ahead in composure. I never truly believed mayo would win yest at any stage if I'm totally honest

I had to watch on Sky Sports as living in England.

What was noticeable even early in the first half was that Dublin were getting their scores a lot easier than Mayo. When you see that you know that Dublin had another gear to move into.

We've seen it so many times over the years with teams playing against Kilkenny (or even Kerry a few years back)- the other team may be ahead by a point or two but they are working to the absolute max and for Kilkenney just to saunter down the pitch and pop over a few scores and pull away.

Very good teams make it look easy because they are efficient. Mayo are not efficient ball players.

jr86

partyguinness wrote: »

Mayo scored the goal but just didnt have enough left to kick on from there. Strangely it may have actually taken the wind out of them psychologically.

As a neutral gutted for Mayo but fair play to Dublin they know how to win.

Yeah mayo needed the next score really like they needed to push on after drawing level in the second half of the drawn game last year

I don't often agree with brolly but he's dead right that this mayo team is the best at coming from behind but not when in front

There's a lot of what ifs but lets be honest dublin took their scores far better and are lightyears ahead in composure. I never truly believed mayo would win yest at any stage if I'm totally honest

Squatman

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Tiredness I would say and no-one really to come off the bench. We really have no experienced impact subs unfortunately. It would be great to call on a couple of experienced forwards from the bench to settle things down, hold the ball, etc but we don't have that or the player pool of a Dublin.

I would argue that david drake subbed on for doherty was a poor choice. I would have put in dillon, as he would offer more attacking power, but otherwise i was happy enoug. I would have brought on kirby about 5 mins earlier to add legs in defence - which i believe was struggling with 5 to go

partyguinness

Mayo scored the goal but just didnt have enough left to kick on from there. Strangely it may have actually taken the wind out of them psychologically.

As a neutral gutted for Mayo but fair play to Dublin they know how to win.

paddy no 11

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Tiredness I would say and no-one really to come off the bench. We really have no experienced impact subs unfortunately. It would be great to call on a couple of experienced forwards from the bench to settle things down, hold the ball, etc but we don't have that or the player pool of a Dublin.

80 min matches and 6 subs suit teams with stronger panels (5 subs was more than enough)

Shurimgreat

BENDYBINN wrote: »

One question
Why did mayo only score one point in the last 15 mins yesterday?

Tiredness I would say and no-one really to come off the bench. We really have no experienced impact subs unfortunately. It would be great to call on a couple of experienced forwards from the bench to settle things down, hold the ball, etc but we don't have that or the player pool of a Dublin.

jr86

SmurfX wrote: »

The sport is collapsing in terms of interest and attendances around the country aside from Dublin, Kerry and Mayo. Even in the worst and probably likely scenario of Dublin and Kerry pushing ahead and leaving Mayo behind we'll still only be an upset or two away from winning Sam since it doesn't look like there'll be a resurgence anywhere else in the foreseeable future and it looks to be heading in the other direction of counties losing interest as they feel they can no longer compete.
When it starts hitting the GAA's pockets from the neutrals no longer watching I'd imagine you'd start to see officials suddenly noticing and taking action against the kind of thing Eoghan O'Gara gets up to.

I don't see any evidence Kerry will pull away from mayo anytime soon

To be honest mayo were streets ahead of them in the replay this year and galway if they were any use had chances to put them out in the quarters

Dublin would have beaten Kerry by 10+ yesterday

The Talking Bread

Good speech by COC at Mayo function. Obviously full of the cliches and all but can't imagine how hard it is to be making/listening to this year on year for those men.

https://www.facebook.com/mayogaabanter/?ref=br_rs

blinding

Stoner wrote: »

He lost 6 from 14 in the first half and got 11 from 11 in the second half when he went short, stats from the RTE lads. He had a bad period but recovered.

Clarke finished badly imo, the McCarthy mark and the ball over the sideline when possession was crucial were significant.

At that stage and for that McCarthy Mark surely the Mayo Midfielders had to be contesting for it and in no way allow McCarthy a clean fetch . Surely Clarke could hardly go out and catch it himself after kicking it out....Anyway you can't control everything . Dublin were a small bit better at the end but maybe one hop of the ball and we could have won it .

[Deleted User]

On the 70min mark yesterday thought one of the dub players had spit at the ref after free awarded against them - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxVkVzXci6M#t=148m25s - edit - probably zoom lens made it look closer than it was..

Faugheen

Hang on, people are trying to suggest Vaughan's red was harsh??

He struck another player, or at least intended to. If Diarmuid Connolly did what Vaughan did then there'd be people (rightfully) calling for his head. He absolutely deserved to go

It doesn't look like O'Gara is gouging to me, but it does look like he's fish-hooking which I think is a sending off anyway. The only thing with it is nobody saw it until the replay, so it's hard to expect McQuillan to see it too.

I did feel bad for Mayo, but I think blaming the ref is daft considering they got away with as much as Dublin did.

Watching both sides give it 100% was admirable but the off-the-ball nonsense is what we're all talking about. Keegan's attempts to put off a Dublin player taking a late free can't be excused either just because a Dublin player did something else. Completely unsporting. Some will say he did what he had to do but if the shoes on the other foot and Philly McMahon does that to COC then we have a different conversation.

Mantis Toboggan

Disappointed not to see Mayo win as a neutral. They were the better team yesterday in my opinion and also last year but have somehow managed to lose them.

They don't seem to have the ability to go for the jugular when push comes to shove. You'd wonder if it is psychological at this stage. They've alot of baggage. Lots of scars. Is the belief fully there to get over the line. You need your big players to step up in the last 10 minutes but in my opinion some of Mayo's big players went missing when needed most.

This team isn't getting any younger and you'd wonder how many times they can keep going to the well. You only get so many chances hopefully Mayo haven't blown all theirs.

SomethingElse

BENDYBINN wrote: »

One question
Why did mayo only score one point in the last 15 mins yesterday?

Why did Dublin only get one score in the first 15 mins?

O'Callaghan takes 30 steps, during which time he hops the ball twice and solos once.

Stoner

Shurimgreat wrote:

Cluxton lost something like 7 of his first 8 kickouts yesterday. He was a disaster. Yet not a single person is talking of dropping Cluxton. I bet Jim Gavin won't even think about it, because he knows the value of continuation.

He lost 6 from 14 in the first half and got 11 from 11 in the second half when he went short, stats from the RTE lads. He had a bad period but recovered.

Clarke finished badly imo, the McCarthy mark and the ball over the sideline when possession was crucial were significant.

blinding

BENDYBINN wrote: »

One question
Why did mayo only score one point in the last 15 mins yesterday?

I am guessing Dublin had something to do with it .

BENDYBINN

One question
Why did mayo only score one point in the last 15 mins yesterday?

TCDStudent1

km79 wrote: »

I can't read every second post on here at this stage
Probably a good thing

All Ireland final day is the best day of the GAA calendar. However, it really is the worst time for online forums like this. I enjoy these forums so much more during the national league when you have posters with a real interest in games posting about their teams.

km79

I can't read every second post on here at this stage
Probably a good thing