The_Captain wrote: » I think he tried to bluster his way out as usual with his "I'm a straight shooter, telling like it is" guff then made a cynical apology to try to keep his job. He still has the absolute right to say whatever he wants on twitter, on the street in the papers or anywhere that will have him, but people strangely seem to think he has a right to a radio show. He has no more right to be paid for his opinions than anyone else and now he's paying the price for years of being an arsehole
Lady Chatterton wrote: » Absolutely, he would NEVER EVER blame me but I kind he would feel that he was negligent as a parent if he didn't highlight a potential danger. I think it's any parents first instinct to protect their children as much as they can, hence all the warnings. (From not talking to strangers when your five to warnings about personal safety and driving behaviour when your older). I believe this was the motivation for George's comments.
CiDeRmAn wrote: » But that's not what he said, he said that blame lay also with the person who is raped as they engaged in risky behaviour, and this is false.
Mountainsandh wrote: » But he didn't say, he asked. Cue, discussion. Not suspension.
“But modern day social activity means that she goes back with him. Then is surprised when somebody else comes into the room and rapes her. Should she be raped? Course she shouldn’t. Is she entitled to say no? Absolutely. Is the guy who came in a scumbag? Certainly. Should he go to jail? Of Course. All of those things, But is there no blame now to the person who puts themselves in danger?”
The Rape of Lucretia wrote: » No it isnt. People talk about it.
The Rape of Lucretia wrote: » He didnt. How many times does this have to be stated ? He asked a question. To prompt debate. Which can be fully rebuffed through discussion. It seems people want him to have said it so that they can criticise him, be outraged, or indulge their hypersensitivity. Your statement above, a false statement about his, is far more outrageous than anything he said.
Morgans wrote: » However, the 'free speechers, the PC gone mad brigade, parroting the alt-right wannabes, kicking back at the liberals, the seem to think that being controversial is by of itself good enough to broadcast. Katie Hopkins is available for work. If upsetting liberals is what you want to do, then that's who you want.
Morgans wrote: » And it wouldnt be all over the papers today. There is a remarkable amount of thin skinned snowflake behaviour among the Hook defenders. Donoghue as a role as political editor (like it or not) and if he steps out of line, Im sure George, his solicitors or newstalk will have something to say.
Lt Dan wrote: » "Snowflake"? You haven't a clue , boy. Don't even try that rubbish with me, you are not smart enough, not even close!
Lt Dan wrote: » Chris Donoghue is a member of staff at Newstalk. Newstalk, his employers , are holding an investigation into the conduct of another member of staff. Full due procedures are required to be followed.
Lt Dan wrote: » Chris Donoghue is a member of staff at Newstalk. Newstalk, his employers , are holding an investigation into the conduct of another member of staff. Full due procedures are required to be followed. While it is not an important as a Dáil Committee, there is an important reason why the people voted against giving Dáil powers to act like Tribunals. The reason stems from the idiotic and disgraceful behaviour of TD's holding a Committee Investigation a number of years ago (The well known Maguire v Ardagh and others , Supreme Court Case) The very people investigating matters had gone on radio etc and made some idiot prejudice statements before a decision or facts finding was ever concluded. "Snowflake"? You haven't a clue , boy. Don't even try that rubbish with me, you are not smart enough, not even close! Pointing out that people are reverting to lies and even, pathetically other instances where George cause a row or taking completely out of context a paragraph of a book he wrote over 10 years ago, is not being sensitive or seeking to even shut down discussions. Pointing out a failing to follow correct procedures during investigations are hardly the acts of snowflakers. Know is pointing out that there is a world of difference between a question and an opinion.
Morgans wrote: » Textbook. Triggered.
Morgans wrote: » Chris Donoghue is not an Newstalk employee. Gas.
Vorenus400 wrote: » Did Chris Donoghue not do his text before the investigation. I am open to correction but I thought the investigation only started on the Thursday/Friday following the comments. I thought the internal investigation was only announced with Hook bring suspended
CiDeRmAn wrote: » So, it's a debate on whether the acknowledged and accepted, wholly inappropriate statement was either a statement or a question?It was a question that shouldn't have been asked as it only makes the reporting of rape more difficult, prolonging the suffering of the victims and increasing the chances that the perpetrators will not be caught. .
And before we get into "free speech" think of the other types of sexual assault and crimes against humanity that we don't question in any regard as being the victims fault
Lt Dan wrote: » Really? Self employed so, Is he still a representative of Newstalk , when he goes on air or carries out broadcasts on their behalf? Yes. If he made defamatory comments or allowed a guess to make defamatory comments while doing a show exclusively for Newstalk , regardless of whether the piece was in the NT Studios or outside, could Newstalk say "hey, that has nothing to do with us" ? NO!
Morgans wrote: » Nice conversation you are having with yourself. No, is not self employed. He is political editor of communicorp, with responsibility now for the political output for among others Newstalk, Today FM, Spin etc. Unfortunately, for George and any other presenter, Chris has a role to judge their output, and he was needed to outline Communicorp perspective on the hullabullo surrounding George when it happened. Which he did long before this 'internal review' took place.
Lt Dan wrote: » So he is either an employee of Communicorp or Self Employed with Communicorp?(yes,a separate company, a norm in business) His actions while broadcasting or being interviewed exclusively on the Newstalk Vehicle, can NT and ultimately Communicorp wash their hands if he ever says or allows an interviewee say anything defamatory or in breach of court/tribunal orders in a case or something against the broadcasting laws and guidelines or an employment tribunal matter or an internal matter? NO! Chris is more than welcome to communicate his views during the private meetings, which no doubt, he will be involved in. Making statements or inviting on public radio , while an investigation is suppose to be on going is the hallmarks of poor procedures and frankly give the public an idea of a kangaroo court
longshanks wrote: » Who do you fine people reckon will replace him?
Lady Chatterton wrote: » I'm 99.9% certain that Dr. Ciara Kelly has been told that she has George's show. I listened to her being interviewed yesterday by Marian Finucane and my initial thought was I had been very unfair to her during the week. She was quite generous in her praise for him and the help he had given her along the way. However, as the interview progressed I felt that the interview was part of a rehabilitation process on behalf of Newstalk (The Mens Shed Station & Dr. Ciara). She knows that there are members of the public who feel that she was less than loyal to George this week. She seemed very anxious to let us know she didn't sign the petition asking for his removal. Ciara is smart enough to know she will need to win back the public if she is to make a successful radio career for herself. Starting a new show that your friend was ousted from might make you as popular as getting promoted after crossing a picket while your best friend and colleague was on strike. The thing that struck me as being very strange was - when asked by Marian if she had been in contact with George, she said that she had been in touch with her good friend (father figure) George by text. Anyone who knows George knows that he doesn't like text. I've lost track of how many times on the radio he has said that when he receives a text he rings the person because he hates it some much. Given the close friendship they were supposed to have, I would have expected the good doctor to visit her friend (being a doctor, who expressed concerns to Marian about the affect the controversy would be having on his mental health) it amazes me that she chose to text him over a making phonecall or a visit (of course maybe he didn't want contact from her?). I thought Ciara's answer to one of Marian's final questions was very interesting (perhaps even a little revealing). Marian asked her how she would feel if the current situation involving someone she regarded as a father figure/friend presented her with an opportunity. Ciara spoke at length about not making secret of wanting a primetime show before sayingThese were not the circumstances I would be looking for them... 'Were not' sounds like she has the job or has been promised it. Otherwise, her answer surely would have been "These are not the circumstances"??????? I'm convinced the deal has been done, time will tell but there was something smug about her demeanour in the final few minutes of the interview.
Harry Palmr wrote: » Maybe they'll draft in someone from the weekend slots. Bobby whatshisname, one radio unfreindly voice to replace another. Except they won't. NT know this is a great chance to shut up critical reaction to some degree by giving a woman a prime slot.
Morgans wrote: » You've already been told that he didnt say anything this morning. And think the world and its wife can guess that the 'internal investigation' would last 30 seconds in reality, and is a discussion about how much George will be paid.
meeeeh wrote: » I do. Of all the Newstalk presenters she would be probably the closest to my worldview. I have absolutely no problem if she replaces Hook, I thought Hook having to go was wrong but I welcome a presenter who is not the same type of presenter as two or three others during the day.
Lt Dan wrote: » Really? Self employed so, Is he still a representative of Newstalk , when he goes on air or carries out broadcasts on their behalf? Yes. If he made defamatory comments or allowed a guess to make defamatory comments (about other subjects) while doing a show exclusively for Newstalk , regardless of whether the piece was in the NT Studios or outside, could Newstalk say "hey, that has nothing to do with us" ? NO!
constitutionus wrote: » which is a rarity in newstalk. Faaaar too many of their presenters are the type you'd run a mile from. as the yanks put it "you wouldnt have a beer with them" for the life of me i dont know why he and coleman arent presenting the breakfast show. they worked very well together when fitzpatrick fecked off to TV3. i'd be back in a second with that line up but as long as williams is there i wont be. on topic the Sindo is now saying hooks gone and the talk with the lawyers is all about a settlement to get them out of his contract. if thats true then i look foreward to the JLNRS in a year time showing the exodus of his listeners. particularly if that little shyte donogue gets his gig longterm. the least thing newstalk will have to worry about then is tescos.
nc6000 wrote: » Judging by this and the papers today, it looks like a lot of people have an axe to grind with Hook and are using this as an excuse to settle some old scores.
brooke 2 wrote: » Considering all that, wouldn't you think that she would have spoken up for GH sooner, just as Pat Kenny did? It's also interesting that as soon as she spoke on MF, her picture was all over the media. A report of her interview was even on Journal.ie, which is more than can be said for Pat Kenny's statement of support. No doubt she pays her agent well! :rolleyes:
brooke 2 wrote: » You seem to be in the minority. Personally, I find it very difficult to listen to her haranguing voice. Her scolding manner with George last Monday really annoyed me - very different from her usual flirty manner with him. What absolutely sticks in my craw is how she waited until GH was suspended to come out to speak in his favour., as she did on Marian Finucane yesterday. She says he mentored her, went to bat for her, argued with the higher ups in NT not to be so sexist and 'elevate' her as he thought she was 'very good'. It obviously worked as she seems to be in there constantly. Considering all that, wouldn't you think that she would have spoken up for GH sooner, just as Pat Kenny did? It's also interesting that as soon as she spoke on MF, her picture was all over the media. A report of her interview was even on Journal.ie, which is more than can be said for Pat Kenny's statement of support. No doubt she pays her agent well! :rolleyes:
