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Isn't multiculturalism great...

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...today I brought my daughter to the playground to meet Slovakian friends with their kids. Also met my cousin and his African partner and their little daughter. After that, I went to my Turkish Muslim barber and to her delight he produced a lollipop.

And I thought, she'll grow up experiencing diversity and cultures that I could only dream of when I was a child in white Catholic Ireland in the late '70s and '80s. And it felt good.

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darkdubh

Deleted User wrote: »

...today I brought my daughter to the playground to meet Slovakian friends with their kids. Also met my cousin and his African partner and their little daughter. After that, I went to my Turkish Muslim barber and to her delight he produced a lollipop.

And I thought, she'll grow up experiencing diversity and cultures that I could only dream of when I was a child in white Catholic Ireland in the late '70s and '80s. And it felt good.

Slovakians are white European. Could be argued that Turks are white also.

Really Interested

Widdershins wrote: »

I recently had a conversation about Jehova's Witnesses. It's amusing the way the same people who deliberately overlook the failings and flaws of Islam for example tend not to be shy about not only condemning the JW's but I suspect keeping their distance from them in such social situations as the OP describes. And imo the JW's are another weird cult with its own creepy conduct and its own parallel society. I just cannot imagine this post with the ''Jehova's Witness barber even produced a lollipop! swoon!'' but maybe I'm wrong.

JW's maybe don't hold any allure because they're sort of familiar. I don't get the love affair with the exotic here. It's like the grass is always greener on the other side.

I am unaware of anyone who would keep their distance from JW's in social situations. In fact in Cork, KC's the famous chipper in cork is owned by a JW family, most of the employees are JW, from what I understand the JW community is very vibrant in cork and members are involed in all aspects of business and social life in the City.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/dietician-behind-fish-and-chip-shop-in-douglas-1.531943

A bit of history. The shop has a chipper cam on line so you can see how long a wait before you go there, very handy as the queue often is very large.

fatknacker

Deleted User wrote: »

His is the only one I know. Think the Slovakians and African are Christians of some form or other.

But "African" is just thrown in for multiculti points. You'd get extra for mentioning the country or tribe.
Must be white South African, because you get minus points for them.

I'm also sickened you've no one in your group from Asia. Why do you hate Asians?

Edit: Far East Asia, further than Turkey

[Deleted User]

GerryDerpy wrote:

It is an instinct. It is slowly being unselected though. But back in the days of tribal living it was beneficial to be a racist or have a dislike to others outside of your population. Modern day racism and xenophobia is a carry over from that trait selection. It is this trait that makes people kill off or drive out outsiders from their area, in order to best preserve their own kind. Hitler being the most extreme case.

Ah now. You do know none of that is true. If you provided a link I'm sure it would come from the KKK website. That's the sort of nonsense people tell themselves to justify actions that they know deep down are wrong.

Don't forget that we all come from Africa. We were all the one race originally. We've only been in Europe for 10k years or so.

My daughter is a child minder and works in a crÃ¨che. There is no racism in those kids. All different shades they are too.
Tiss a learned behaviour

Benjamin Buttons

philstar wrote: »

kinda ironic that you would use a Ian Paisley quote supporting the GAA

Eh...that's why I used it!

Benjamin Buttons

fatknacker wrote: »

Slovakian, African and Turkish Muslim.

But you left us hangin with the religion of the Slovak and the religion and country of the African. Why does the Turkish Muslim get their country and religion a mention but not the rest? Is it because he produced a lollipop. So uncharacteristic of those lads!

Just guessing, but perhaps Conor mentioned the kind deed of the Turkish barber in order to counterbalance the unremitting, hate-filled Muslim bashing that passes for debate here in AH.
I could be wrong though.
Carry on.

Widdershins

I recently had a conversation about Jehova's Witnesses. It's amusing the way the same people who deliberately overlook the failings and flaws of Islam for example tend not to be shy about not only condemning the JW's but I suspect keeping their distance from them in such social situations as the OP describes. And imo the JW's are another weird cult with its own creepy conduct and its own parallel society. I just cannot imagine this post with the ''Jehova's Witness barber even produced a lollipop! swoon!'' but maybe I'm wrong.

JW's maybe don't hold any allure because they're sort of familiar. I don't get the love affair with the exotic here. It's like the grass is always greener on the other side.

[Deleted User]

I work and have worked with people of different ethnicity I have to say never really though much about it. Its just the way it is.

philstar

fryup wrote: »

oh its definitely a good thing we've become more sophisticated and cosmopolitan as a nation instead of the backward backwater that we use to be

now if only we could get rid of the GAA

Benjamin Buttons wrote: »

NEVER NEVER NEVER

kinda ironic that you would use a Ian Paisley quote supporting the GAA

smurgen

I had Lebanese yesterday instead of the old bacon and cabbage.The falafals get my highest ratings of 5 yums out of 5. Great to mix up the diet.

Call Me Jimmy

I don't think there's anyone except ideological scumbags who would think you can't have a pleasant day with people of different ethnicities...

dav3

And still they come.

OP why didn't you just start a thread on how terrible your life is and how it's all the fault of foreigners?

All this happy-clappy commie stuff is blowing some people's tiny minds.

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

As I said, I grew up in a very Catholic country...do you think Catholicism "benefits" people?

No, and never suggested I do.

Deleted User wrote: »

I think exposure to different cultures is very good. But to be honest, I can't say I've really studied, say, Shinto enough to say "oh that'd be good for her".

You stated that exposure to other religions will be good for. I was curious as to how and which ones... but I think you just enjoyed how it sounded and looked when typed out.

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

...today I brought my daughter to the playground to meet Slovakian friends with their kids. Also met my cousin and his African partner and their little daughter. After that, I went to my Turkish Muslim barber and to her delight he produced a lollipop.

And I thought, she'll grow up experiencing diversity and cultures that I could only dream of when I was a child in white Catholic Ireland in the late '70s and '80s. And it felt good.

Strange that the OP feels he had to mention religion, also its not multiculturalism its people of different ethnicity living in Ireland which is a good thing it is what make a place like New york great. It enhances culture and make a place more vibrant and diverse.

Multiculturalism is a different thing.

One eyed Jack

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Was Taoism the right answer so? I shouldda gone with Taoism.

Not sure that Kavanagh had the same issues. He didn't like his childhood. I loved mine...I just think my daughter will be exposed to more cultures than I was, and I think that's good. Do you think that's "self flagellation"?

Why are you asking me was Taoism the right answer? Omackerel asked for your opinion on which religion if any do you think will benefit your daughter. You made the original point about religions being beneficial, but when asked to expand on which one, you chose to deflect from answering with a question of your own as to whether Omackerel thought Catholicism "benefits" people.

I completely agree with you that it's a good thing that your daughter will be exposed to more cultures than you were, and they too will benefit from being exposed to your daughters culture, which is why the whole "white Catholic Ireland" spiel really did come off like you were ashamed of your own heritage and culture.

Again, that's just the impression I got, but I'm also open to the possibility that it wasn't your intent. Quite frankly I'm still trying to work out what was the point? Multiculturalism is great. So what? I just don't get your point is all tbh.

[Deleted User]

fatknacker wrote: »

Slovakian, African and Turkish Muslim.

But you left us hangin with the religion of the Slovak and the religion and country of the African. Why does the Turkish Muslim get their country and religion a mention but not the rest? Is it because he produced a lollipop. So uncharacteristic of those lads!

His is the only one I know. Think the Slovakians and African are Christians of some form or other.

fatknacker

Deleted User wrote: »

...today I brought my daughter to the playground to meet Slovakian friends with their kids. Also met my cousin and his African partner and their little daughter. After that, I went to my Turkish Muslim barber and to her delight he produced a lollipop.

And I thought, she'll grow up experiencing diversity and cultures that I could only dream of when I was a child in white Catholic Ireland in the late '70s and '80s. And it felt good.

Slovakian, African and Turkish Muslim.

But you left us hangin with the religion of the Slovak and the religion and country of the African. Why does the Turkish Muslim get their country and religion a mention but not the rest? Is it because he produced a lollipop. So uncharacteristic of those lads!

[Deleted User]

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Omackerel asks you what religion if any is going to benefit her at all, and you answer him with a question that provides nothing in the way of an answer, instead inquiring as to whether he thinks Catholicism "benefits" people?

Was Taoism the right answer so? I shouldda gone with Taoism.

Not sure that Kavanagh had the same issues. He didn't like his childhood. I loved mine...I just think my daughter will be exposed to more cultures than I was, and I think that's good. Do you think that's "self flagellation"?

One eyed Jack

[Deleted User] wrote: »

As I said, I grew up in a very Catholic country...do you think Catholicism "benefits" people?

I think exposure to different cultures is very good. But to be honest, I can't say I've really studied, say, Shinto enough to say "oh that'd be good for her".

Omackerel asks you what religion if any is going to benefit her at all, and you answer him with a question that provides nothing in the way of an answer, instead inquiring as to whether he thinks Catholicism "benefits" people?

What's that even supposed to mean? It certainly isn't an answer to Omackerel's question, and it opens the door to a lot more questions, particularly why do you ask Omackerel whether Catholicism "benefits" people?

You alluded to the same "white Catholic Ireland" in your opening post, as though it was something negative, something to be ashamed of, yet you've done very well for yourself haven't you?

I have too btw, thanks for asking. We've done this before -

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Conor I'm Catholic, but even that level of self-flagellation is beyond the pale.

My son is also white, Catholic and Irish, and he won't grow up ashamed of it either. You're now beginning to remind me of Patrick Kavanaghs "Stony Grey Soil" -

O stony grey soil of Monaghan
The laugh from my love you thieved;
You took the gay child of my passion
And gave me your clod-conceived.

You clogged the feet of my boyhood
And I believed that my stumble
Had the poise and stride of Apollo
And his voice my thick tongued mumble.

You told me the plough was immortal!
O green-life conquering plough!
The mandril stained, your coulter blunted
In the smooth lea-field of my brow.

You sang on steaming dunghills
A song of cowards' brood,
You perfumed my clothes with weasel itch,
You fed me on swinish food

You flung a ditch on my vision
Of beauty, love and truth.
O stony grey soil of Monaghan
You burgled my bank of youth!

Lost the long hours of pleasure
All the women that love young men.
O can I stilll stroke the monster's back
Or write with unpoisoned pen.

His name in these lonely verses
Or mention the dark fields where
The first gay flight of my lyric
Got caught in a peasant's prayer.

Mullahinsa, Drummeril, Black Shanco-
Wherever I turn I see
In the stony grey soil of Monaghan
Dead loves that were born for me.

I do hope that your daughter while learning from other cultures, is able to impart some of her own. Probably not Patrick Kavanagh though, God he was a miserably, bitter shìtehawk :pac:

GerryDerpy

Sleeper12 wrote: »

No deflection.
Racism can't be evilution or even natural selection. It's not natural instinct to be racist.

Racism is a learned behaviour.

A child will be mean to another child. He will call him blacky if he's black and fatty if he's fat

It is an instinct. It is slowly being unselected though. But back in the days of tribal living it was beneficial to be a racist or have a dislike to others outside of your population. Modern day racism and xenophobia is a carry over from that trait selection. It is this trait that makes people kill off or drive out outsiders from their area, in order to best preserve their own kind. Hitler being the most extreme case.

[Deleted User]

Omackeral wrote: »

OP just wondering if you could get back to this question.

As I said, I grew up in a very Catholic country...do you think Catholicism "benefits" people?

I think exposure to different cultures is very good. But to be honest, I can't say I've really studied, say, Shinto enough to say "oh that'd be good for her".

JaCrispy

Deleted User wrote: »

But it was a bit of a non sequitor. Do you think the Irish going to other countries is a really bad thing for the natives because of the Guildford and Birmingham pub bombings? So no one can possibly say that the Irish influence was beneficial?

How is that a non sequitor, the offenders were (or descended from) a different culture, religion and mindset that is not aligned to western values. The people you mentioned in your original post are not representative of all migrants. I'm plainly pointing out that multiculturalism often isn't great and plenty of graves throughout Europe are testament to this. That's not even looking at what went on in Oldham, Rotherham and Newcastle.

[Deleted User]

OP just wondering if you could get back to this question.

Omackeral wrote: »

Conor you said your daughter will grow up in a better climate than you did as she'll be exposed to more customs and religions. Which religions, if any, are gonna benefit her at all?

One eyed Jack

marcus001 wrote: »

There are some things which aren't legally enforceable but are happily part of our culture, like treating your daughter as equal to your son.

Just because someone follows the law does not mean they are a good person or an asset to society.

That's a matter of individual opinion though. HP's argument consists of anything which doesn't conform to his standards isn't welcome in our country, yet while he laments authoritarianism, he wants to substitute it with authoritarianism which is consistent with his values!

marcus001

One eyed Jack wrote: »

You don't appear to appreciate Irish laws yourself there HP, they're too slow to catch up to your views, but they're too liberal for your views in other areas.

Yet you object to people who do not share your views even though they are law abiding citizens of our country?

Sounds like a severe case of double standards.

There are some things which aren't legally enforceable but are happily part of our culture, like treating your daughter as equal to your son.

Just because someone follows the law does not mean they are a good person or an asset to society.

[Deleted User]

Sweetemotion wrote:

Deflect, deflect, deflect.

No deflection.
Racism can't be evilution or even natural selection. It's not natural instinct to be racist.

Racism is a learned behaviour.

A child will be mean to another child. He will call him blacky if he's black and fatty if he's fat

One eyed Jack

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I'd rather wait until after the referendum before I agree that it's "part of our social values", I believe that Ireland has advanced and that our laws are simply slow to catch up. Regardless, your question is a little odd - I have no issue with people going to other jurisdictions if they don't like Irish laws or social customs, and I'd have no problem with an ultraconservative muslim family going to Saudi Arabia if they want to raise their daughter without any personal freedom. I just don't think they should be allowed to do it in this country. If you're in Ireland and you raise your daughter to believe that she has no agency, you are in my view committing child abuse, plain and simple.

You don't appear to appreciate Irish laws yourself there HP, they're too slow to catch up to your views, but they're too liberal for your views in other areas.

Yet you object to people who do not share your views even though they are law abiding citizens of our country?

Sounds like a severe case of double standards.

[Deleted User]

99nsr125 wrote: »

It's not discriminatory
it's the truth

Of course it's discriminatory.

Just as it would be discriminatory if I said it about any other Nationality/Race/Religious group.

Spider Web

99nsr125 wrote: »

It's not discriminatory
it's the truth

Yes it is discriminatory. No it isn't the truth. Every single Irish person is not an asshole - some are, like anywhere.
I know this country does contain a lot of self loathing forelock tuggers, but this takes the biscuit.

99nsr125

It's not discriminatory
it's the truth

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You do
realise that's a very discriminatory remark?