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Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs MayweatherMOD Warning in 1st Post

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So, this is looking more likely to be on the cards sooner rather than later...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/38591420

Any opinion on who would win this potential fight?

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walshb

Some boxing fans, or probably anti MMA fans just cannot admit that Floyd worked hard to get that result...why they can't admit it is odd?

Some truly believe it, fair enough. Others don't, but just won't admit to it..

I called the fight as a clear dominant win inside 6...

I was way off...

It would be lazy and begrudging and pathetic of me to try and weasel out of that by claiming it was all perfectly planned by Floyd. I cannot know this, and my own eyes and knowledge tell me it's just not true.

Sweet Science

walshb wrote: »

Some boxing fans, or probably anti MMA fans just cannot admit that Floyd worked hard to get that result...why they can't admit it is odd?

Some truly believe it, fair enough. Others don't, but just won't admit to it..

I called the fight as a clear dominant win inside 6...

I was way off...

It would be lazy and begrudging and pathetic of me to try and weasel out of that by claiming it was all perfectly planned by Floyd. I cannot know this, and my own eyes and knowledge tell me it's just not true.

I'd argue he didnt work hard enough . Took the easiest way to get the win/stoppage . Wasnt even tired or breathing heavy . No bumps no bruises . Thats not working hard , its working as easy and risk free which is terrible on his part. Im sure he doesnt give a cr@p though

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman

walshb wrote: »

Some boxing fans, or probably anti MMA fans just cannot admit that Floyd worked hard to get that result...why they can't admit it is odd?

Some truly believe it, fair enough. Others don't, but just won't admit to it..

I called the fight as a clear dominant win inside 6...

I was way off...

It would be lazy and begrudging and pathetic of me to try and weasel out of that by claiming it was all perfectly planned by Floyd. I cannot know this, and my own eyes and knowledge tell me it's just not true.

You also don't like Floyd so this fight was a real no win in your eyes regardless of the result.

Floyd won the fight comfortably and it was never in doubt. I scored it slightly different to you I had McGregor winning round 1 and thought neither did enough to win round 2 or 3 not much landed by either from there I thought Mayweather won every round.

But again it wouldnt really matter what I scored it, on the majority of the Judges cards Mayweather was up 9-1 in rounds.

yourdeadwright

walshb wrote: »

Some boxing fans, or probably anti MMA fans just cannot admit that Floyd worked hard to get that result...why they can't admit it is odd?

Some truly believe it, fair enough. Others don't, but just won't admit to it..

I called the fight as a clear dominant win inside 6...

I was way off...

It would be lazy and begrudging and pathetic of me to try and weasel out of that by claiming it was all perfectly planned by Floyd. I cannot know this, and my own eyes and knowledge tell me it's just not true.

He was smiling and even winked at the sky team during a clinche in round 2,
You have to remember he your talking about a 40 yearold ,2 years retired ,last stoppage 10 years ago ( Ortiz doesn;t count) and he oculdn;t spar for the month leading up to the fight, Also he had zero footage of Conor boxing to make his plan around,
He literally just watched Conor for 2/3 rounds to work him out and then realised what he needed to do, he was always comfortable
People say he hit Flyod more than Manny and this is true because Flyod tatics changed and where different in each fight,
Conor done great to get there and is a amazing MMA fighter, but don't let him being Irish cloud your thoughts he was totally outclassed from start to finish and its no shame,

walshb

Whether I "like" him or not is irrelevant.

Had he done the job in dominant and clear fashion like I thought he would I wouldn't be posting as I am..

Liking or disliking needs to be removed. You then call and assess the fight on what actually happened..I have done this, and for me TBE had to put in a lot more effort than I had anticipated.

Burkie1203

walshb wrote: »

It would be lazy and begrudging and pathetic of me to try and weasel out of that by claiming it was all perfectly planned by Floyd. I cannot know this, and my own eyes and knowledge tell me it's just not true.

FM would have planned to a degree. His MO has always been that way. He also would know that if hasnt been put on his arse by the time round 4 begins then its all stacked in his favour.

CmcG would have known this too. He needed to end it by rd 4. He needed that big shot to connect. Mayweather basically had to devise a gameplan blind because CmcG has no boxing history and then alter it as the early rounds unfolded. He did that unerringly.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman

walshb wrote: »

Whether I "like" him or not is irrelevant.

Had he done the job in dominant and clear fashion like I thought he would I wouldn't be posting as I am..

Liking or disliking needs to be removed. You then call and assess the fight on what actually happened..I have done this, and for me TBE had to put in a lot more effort than I had anticipated.

He did the job in a dominant and clear fashion.

The Nal

walshb wrote: »

Whether I "like" him or not is irrelevant.

Had he done the job in dominant and clear fashion like I thought he would I wouldn't be posting as I am..

Liking or disliking needs to be removed. You then call and assess the fight on what actually happened..I have done this, and for me TBE had to put in a lot more effort than I had anticipated.

Why did you anticipate that? Hes a smart and conservative fighter.

mdwexford

Burkie1203 wrote: »

The one thing about FM was he had no idea what he would be facing in boxing terms. Its not like he could examine footage of past fights to devise a gameplan so he had to create one on the go as the early rounds went by. Once he figured his opponent out he just picked him off at will.

The Maliggnaggi stuff was poor from the McGregor camp too. Maybe its because we are in Ireland but I never saw any footage from the Mayweather training camp. McGregor seems to need to be in the midst of a media frenzy all the time and FM doesn't. FM was eating a burger king and partying with loads of pretry girls during the week before fight night. McGregor was desperately dropping weight.

The leaked video of sparring to prove McGregor can box was against a guy who has an Amir Khan inflicted "L" on his record.

Why are you trying to spin things to make it suit your argument better.

Floyd was sitting around in a club he owns not drinking or smoking or anything like it. That's partying in your book is it?

Conor wasn't "desperately dropping weight". He was professionally making weight in a controlled manner, like he always does.

walshb

The Nal wrote: »

Why did you anticipate that? Hes a smart and conservative fighter.

Well, because he is a career great fighting a novice pro...

I thought he would have done the job in far better style. He didn't, as well as looking novice like himself for parts of the fight..

But, if it really was his whole plan all along, it was perfection!

walshb

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

He did the job in a dominant and clear fashion.

Towards the end he did... comfortable winner.

I was dissecting the whole fight. My points are relating to every minute of the fight..

Nothing clear about his superiority for a fair bit of the action..

yourdeadwright

Naos wrote: »

snowflaker wrote: »

Conor was better than I thought he would be.
Floyd wasn't as good as he should have been, but he has been retired for over 2 years.

It was like a cat playing with his prey for a good while, and the prey put up a good fight.

This two year thing... Conor hadn't fought for almost a year.

Also, all I read about before the fight was that Floyd is renowned for never getting out of shape, does 10 mile runs for fun at 3am in the morning... now it's he's been retired for two years.

Moving the goalposts majorly.

People seem to be running with Floyd was retired 2 year but Connor was off for 1 ,
Floyd retired because he is 40 years of age its not like he was having a break, he's is retired because of age its like apples and oranges,
He's reflex's ,strength stamina the whole lot are fading at the age of 40 even if he was still active,
Of course he wasn't like he was 5 or 4 years ago,
The only reason the fight happened is because of this ,the Floyd of 5 years ago would straight make a fool of Conor and 90% of pro boxers,

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman

walshb wrote: »

Towards the end he did... comfortable winner.

I was dissecting the whole fight. My points are relating to every minute of the fight..

Nothing clear about his superiority for a fair bit of the action..

From round 4 on his superiority was very clear.

Floyd walked him down and dismantled McGregor.

Conor did well in rounds 1-3 was much more competitive than I thought he would be landed a couple of good shots but never looked capable of hurting Floyd.

The Nal

walshb wrote: »

Well, because he is a career great fighting a novice pro...

I thought he would have done the job in far better style. He didn't, as well as looking novice like himself for parts of the fight..

But, if it really was his whole plan all along, it was perfection!

I think that may have been his plan yeah. Just hang around long enough to win and if a KO opportunity arises then take it.

Hes a very boring fighter though yeah.

Subcomandante Marcos

walshb wrote: »

Towards the end he did... comfortable winner.

I was dissecting the whole fight. My points are relating to every minute of the fight..

Nothing clear about his superiority for a fair bit of the action..

Mayweather did what Mayweather does for the first two rounds. He sat defensively and let Conor come at him to see what he had. He did it with a smile on his face and a total lack of concern, between rounds he was laughing, smiling and hadn't broken a sweat.

In the third round he started pushing forward a little more and moving more freely, and even threw a few punches.

From the opening bell of the 4th round he absolutely bullied McGregor He threw more punches in the 4th than he did in the first 3 combined.

He walked him down and drove him around the ring and gave zero respect to Conor's imagined power.
In the 8th he picked up the pace and started to really grind Conor down, in the 9th he went for the finish and in the 10th he ended it.

And he did it all without ever looking to be troubled, without ever getting out of second gear. It was the easiest he's had in probably 15 years.

You're being ridiculous

walshb

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

From round 4 on his superiority was very clear.

Floyd walked him down and dismantled McGregor.

Conor did well in rounds 1-3 was much more competitive than I thought he would be landed a couple of good shots but never looked capable of hurting Floyd.

Well, rds 4 and 5 were competitive..

6-10 Floyd was turning the screw, but Conor was still there and still fighting and still making Floyd work hard in 6, 7 and 8..

I agree. Floyd must have known that Conor's shots weren't anything to be too worried about come rd 6 or so..he then upped the pace and got the job done.

walshb

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

You're being ridiculous

I'm a ridiculous person, remember...?

Over and out, kiid!

Outlaw Pete

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

Is this one included in the 111

Open to correction, but apparently not.

wonderfullife wrote: »

..... Compubox DO NOT count "tippy tappy" punches. The rabbit punches, tappy punches, the comical jab that tipped Floyd's nose etc are not counted in their totals. When Compubox say Conor landed 111 punches they are 111 punches that landed with "force" which is their first criteria to count it as landed.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman

walshb wrote: »

Well, rds 4 and 5 were competitive..

6-10 Floyd was turning the screw, but Conor was still there and still fighting and still making Floyd work hard in 6, 7 and 8..

I agree. Floyd must have known that Conor's shots weren't anything to be too worried about come rd 6 or so..he then upped the pace and got the job done.

I thought it was obvious after round 1 that Floyd wasnt worried about McGregor's "power" .. obviously though you don't want to get caught with a clean punch from anyone so he was conservative as he mostly has been in his career, but he wasnt as conservative as he would have been against a good boxer. His defence wasn't what it normally is probably due to the lack of fear about McGregor's punches and Mayweather's accuracy was off in spots as well.

But like you pointed out at the very start of this thread this was going to be one of Mayweather's easiest fights and IMO it was.

Outlaw Pete

ThinkProgress wrote: »

If you want to lift my previous quotes from this thread... why don't you go back to my very earliest posts (almost 2 months ago now), where I predicted pretty much everything that happened in this fight?? There were plenty of other posters, who did the same...

Yes and I was one of them:

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

He wins by TKO in the first three or he gets a boxing clinic if it goes past that stage.

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

If I wasn't a McGregor fan, I'd be all over Mayweather by TKO @ roughly 5/2 on Betfair.

You however are trying to gloss over the fact that you thought it was absurd to even consider that McGregor could win a round:

ThinkProgress wrote: »

The fact you actually think Conor has a chance to win round(s) on the scorecard, shows how little you actually understand about the sport... it's actually funny to read.

You were wrong.

Sweet Science

I agree with walsh in a way . I thought Floyd would land easier earlier in the fight . I think he seen how awkward Conor was though coupled with ring rust and lack of sparring and just took the safest option.

He was winking at Froch in round 2 ( Froch loved that hence his Floyd lovefest ) . After round 2 it was just a matter of when .

The Nal

Sweet Science wrote: »

I agree with walsh in a way . I thought Floyd would land easier earlier in the fight .

He threw 4 punches in round 1. Conor threw 34. Mayweather had no intention of going big early.

Totally easy and controlled performance from Mayweather. Not a mark on him after. Clean as a whistle.

marcus001

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Alot of people saying they were disappointed by Floyd, which is fair enough, he wasn't great. But to be honest, last night was Floyd "going on the offensive". He doesn't do it much, if ever. It was effectively new territory for him taking the fight to someone. So of course he was going to be sloppy. Doing that is not his game.

Have to laugh at the people who are coming on to laugh at the people who said Conor wouldn't land punch. If Floyd fought defensively/like his usual self, Conor wouldn't have landed a punch of note, that simple. Although I guess the "wouldn't land a punch" quote is mainly in reference to Conor not being able to hit any top pro boxer, not just Floyd. In that case, he would land a punch at some stage against most top boxers, but would get pummeled in the meantime. He's lucky he was in the ring with Floyd going on the offensive as opposed to GGG.

Floyd is simply unbeatable and that's coming from someone who hates him. The only person who may have been able to beat him at one point was Pacquiao in his prime. His hand speed may have been able to open Floyd up

Conor landed his best punches in the early rounds when Floyd was still fighting defensively.

Subcomandante Marcos

marcus001 wrote: »

Conor landed his best punches in the early rounds when Floyd was still fighting defensively.

And those punches were nothing punches.

marcus001

Sweet Science wrote: »

Really I thought it went exactly how a carried fight would go . Allow him punch out first few rounds . Toy with him mid rounds . Finish in championship rounds . It's strange you are so dismissive of it now

Floyd's strategy for the fight was pitch perfect for the purposes of getting the win without taking many risks. The result's more consistent with Floyd being a boxing wizard than him deciding to carry the fight.

He let Conor throw his best punches early then when he got tired he came out swinging. He didn't take the risks in the early rounds when Conor's punches still had some sting in them. That's not carrying the fight that's fighting smart which is what Floyd always does. Floyd is a consummate professional, the idea that he would hold back to make the opponent look good has no basis judging from his past behaviour.

Sweet Science

Its funny
MMA fans are happy after the fight with Conors performance
Boxing fans are happy Floyd got the highlight reel finish
UFC are happy their cash cow didnt take too much punishment as can return in the near future
Floyd is happy he is 50-0 and finished with a TKO
Conor is happy it was stopped on his feet, got filthy rich and can return to the UFC with his rep intact

Everyone is happy . Walshie i thought you'd be all over this

awec

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

And those punches were nothing punches.

I imagine the point when he landed a flush left uppercut and it had absolutely no effect is the moment when McGregor realised this was a fight he had no chance of winning. The one weapon in his arsenal (so we were told anyway) and his opponent may as well have laughed it off.

Mellor

The Nal wrote: »

He threw 4 punches in round 1. Conor threw 34. Mayweather had no intention of going big early.

Totally easy and controlled performance from Mayweather. Not a mark on him after. Clean as a whistle.

He threw 6 punches. He missed 4.
Which means his accuracy was lowest in rd 1 - which should really be unaffected by the low volume.

Outlaw Pete

Mayweather would have thrown more punches early on but he was frustrated into throwing so few tbf. Not saying he would have thrown as many as McGregor, of course, but he was clearly teeing up to get shots off which he couldn't. Even the biased Sky commentary were recognizing that. McGregor landing with many of his shots (while admittedly nothing which troubled Floyd) also contributed to why Floyd didn't throw too many.

I've watched the fight seven or eight times now, with different commentaries, and the notion that Floyd purposefully did so little offensively early on is not a true reflection of those early rounds as it's quite clear that floyd planned to walk McGregor down from much early than people are saying. McGregor just slipped and countered much of it.

Floyd changed his approach many times though, even with regards to walking McGregor down. Which was why Conor said he made him fight like a Mexican. Much more competitive fight early on, and midway through, than many seem to want to concede for whatever reason. Floyd was always going to win handy enough if Conor didn't implement something early on..... would love to have seen him going the distance though. Got a hell of a lot closer to doing that than I thought he would. Had he been more selective with his shots, a bit more conservative with his energy, then I think he may very well have gone the distance, which something I definitely didn't think was possible pre-fight.

walshb

Sweet Science wrote: »

Everyone is happy . Walshie i thought you'd be all over this

You know me. I'm always moaning, I mean, happy!