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Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs MayweatherMOD Warning in 1st Post

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So, this is looking more likely to be on the cards sooner rather than later...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/38591420

Any opinion on who would win this potential fight?

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begbysback

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Tiernan Bradley also gives the spar to Conor:

http://www.irishnews.com/sport/boxing/2017/08/09/news/in-mcgregor-s-corner-the-truth-about-that-spar-between-paulie-malignaggi-and-conor-mcgregor-1105459/

Have no doubt Conor reviewed that interview before it went out - interesting though that Conor couldn't put this guy down in sparring, seems the focal point has now changed from power to winning sparring sessions - doesn't bode too well, regardless of how many sparring sessions Conor allegedly wins he's not going to outbox Floyd.

So what happened to the power?

Mellor

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

Personally I think you are giving him far too much credit, he seen the $ and jumped into a boxing match under boxing rules against one of the best ever. Regardless of whether it's ego or self belief if he gets rattled and Ko'd it will have an effect. Would have an effect on anyone. Being Ko'd.

The money being (one of) the driving factors doesn't exclude what I said though. We talking about a possibly 9 figure payday. If somebody says that wouldn't factor into their motivation, I simply wouldn't believe them. But win or lose he'll get paid. I simply don't see a reason why'd he be mentally crushed if he loses. But just an opinion.

This fight though is being given far too much attention by boxing fans considering GGG vs Alvarez is just around the corner. A boxing match that is really tight , hard to call between two of the best out there right now.

People keep saying that, and I agree with the sentiment. But it's also incredibly ironic.

walshb

wonderfullife wrote: »

hahahaha

You guys in here didn't shut up about the Chris Van Heerden spar as a "reason" why Conor is laughably bad at boxing.

Now you're saying "well, now, let's not be hasty, you can't judge anything... it's only sparring".

I can only speak for myself. I don't think I commented too much at all on the Chris spars. I did see bits, and for me Conor was very very ordinary. Did not look remotely like a pro boxer.

Anyway, like I said, all this BS talk regarding spars with Paulie...

Who gives a sh1t what happened in their spars? It won't make a blind bit of difference come Aug 26. Conor has next to no hope..

The constant debating it and trying to use it to bolster any side of the debate seems futile to me. You could take none of it as anything approaching serious. Unless there is unedited footage released, then take everything about it with a pinch of salt.

Anyway, looking forward to your coming here Aug 27 and apologizing for being completely clueless regarding Conor's realistic chances of winning.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman

Mellor wrote: »

The money being (one of) the driving factors doesn't exclude what I said though. We talking about a possibly 9 figure payday. If somebody says that wouldn't factor into their motivation, I simply wouldn't believe them. But win or lose he'll get paid. I simply don't see a reason why'd he be mentally crushed if he loses. But just an opinion.

People keep saying that, and I agree with the sentiment. But it's also incredibly ironic.

There is a decent article on McGregor on ESPN long but a good read -

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/enterpriseMcGregor/conor-mcgregor-shaped-dublin-roots-prepares-fight-floyd-mayweather

"McGregor, for all his bravado, can be fragile. Norman Mailer wrote about approaching Ali's psyche like you'd approach a squirrel. That's true for Conor too. "You got to be very cautious what you say around Conor," says striking coach Owen Roddy."

Anyway those who apparently know him best seem to think he's mentally fragile not to read too deep into that I'm sure most fighters have some of that. But I'd worry that there are only yes men around him and people who view things similar. Also from the article I would worry about the way he spends money. Even Billionaires can go broke if you spend it unwisely.

Regardless you have your opinion , I have mine.

Sweet Science

Just over 2 weeks and this circus is over

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman

I see Mayweather says he's going to go after McGregor, if he could be believed then Mayweather to win in the first round @ 20/1 looks tempting.

StringerBell

It has crossed my mind that Paulie is on a pre planned drumming up interest mission due to the less then expected levels of interest and the **** show that was the press tour, but I don't think its the case. Not from him anyway, it wouldn't be beyond the realms that McGregor's team would be aware of how difficult it would be for Paulie to accept photo's being posted in a way to paint him as getting a beating if it were not the case and that his ego wouldn't allow him to stay quiet which would obviously drum up more interest but again I just don't think its whats happened when weighing up everything.

StringerBell

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

I see Mayweather says he's going to go after McGregor, if he could be believed then Mayweather to win in the first round @ 20/1 looks tempting.

He can't be believed though which would make me very wary of that bet

Barring a brainfart by McGregor I can't see Mayweather getting him out in 1, he will be studying him, testing him out and probing rather then going for the kill which I do think will happen in the early-mid rounds, somewhere between 4 and 6

noc1980

begbysback wrote: »

Have no doubt Conor reviewed that interview before it went out - interesting though that Conor couldn't put this guy down in sparring, seems the focal point has now changed from power to winning sparring sessions - doesn't bode too well, regardless of how many sparring sessions Conor allegedly wins he's not going to outbox Floyd.

So what happened to the power?

So what happened to it being 'impossible' for Conor to even be competitive with a pro boxer? Is it because Malignaggi is old and has been retired for 5 months? Is that enough to demote him from top pro / former champion to useless cannon fodder now? If so, what has soon to be 41 yrs old Floyd been reduced to, in his 2 years of inactivity?

walshb

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

I see Mayweather says he's going to go after McGregor, if he could be believed then Mayweather to win in the first round @ 20/1 looks tempting.

Yes....

But Floyd is a bull****ter. Said the same about other fights and then proceeded to stink the joint out.

Sweet Science

noc1980 wrote: »

So what happened to it being 'impossible' for Conor to even be competitive with a pro boxer? Is it because Malignaggi is old and has been retired for 5 months? Is that enough to demote him from top pro / former champion to useless cannon fodder now? If so, what has soon to be 41 yrs old Floyd been reduced to, in his 2 years of inactivity?

But you dont know what happened in sparring ? Plus its sparring . Plus Paulie is not knocking out any fully grown man in sparring . What did you expect to happen ?

Also dont compare Paulie with Floyd . Its comparing an average PL player to Messi.

And lets just say he is on the same level as Paulie for arguments sake . Paulie would be 100/1 in a fight with Floyd.

Sam Eggington who ko'd Paulie . He would be 100/1 . Anyway you try paint the picture Conor stands no chance .

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman

McGregor to land less that 50 punches in the fight .. any mcgregor fans give me odds on that?

Dirty Dingus McGee

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

There is a decent article on McGregor on ESPN long but a good read -

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/page/enterpriseMcGregor/conor-mcgregor-shaped-dublin-roots-prepares-fight-floyd-mayweather

"McGregor, for all his bravado, can be fragile. Norman Mailer wrote about approaching Ali's psyche like you'd approach a squirrel. That's true for Conor too. "You got to be very cautious what you say around Conor," says striking coach Owen Roddy."

Anyway those who apparently know him best seem to think he's mentally fragile not to read too deep into that I'm sure most fighters have some of that. But I'd worry that there are only yes men around him and people who view things similar. Also from the article I would worry about the way he spends money. Even Billionaires can go broke if you spend it unwisely.

Regardless you have your opinion , I have mine.

The ESPN article about McGregor is absoulutely hilarious.

Mellor

Sweet Science wrote:

But you dont know what happened in sparring ? Plus its sparring . Plus Paulie is not knocking out any fully grown man in sparring

He wasn't knocking out many in the ring either to be fair.

walshb

Mellor wrote: »

He wasn't knocking out many in the ring either to be fair.

Exactly. He is feather fisted and not in camp and add to the fact that you could believe nothing about this spar unless you witnessed it.

LollipopJimmy

And his eyebrows are far too groomed. I mean how anybody can stand in front of him and not piss themselves laughing is beyond me, nevermind punching him

Sweet Science

Mellor wrote: »

He wasn't knocking out many in the ring either to be fair.

Yeah i think thats why a lot on this forum thought he would be the perfect sparring partner . He does carry an ego though and obviously likes to talk and talk and talk . Nobody is really surprised it didnt work out.

That clip is gas btw

StringerBell

walshb wrote: »

Yes....

But Floyd is a bull****ter. Said the same about other fights and then proceeded to stink the joint out.

This is it,he is also talking up McGregors chances, saying he not the fighter he was, that McG is younger, taller, longer etc that he can't be defensive and that he owes the public after the Pacman fight......as if the Berto fight never happened like! Constant bull**** from his camp to drum up interest which is fair enough when it comes to the promotional end of it.

Floyd will win this fight, however he pleases, but knowing him it will be with as little effort as possible in terms of offensive output. If he fails to stop him though that is (despite this whole circus being a joke) a huge failure on his part.

Ush1

Mellor wrote: »

He wasn't knocking out many in the ring either to be fair.

State of Paulies technique. No wonder he's feather fisted when he throws like that.

StringerBell

Yeah he was never top level in fairness, never hit the peaks but a very good pro none the less with some skills, he did well for himself in his career to his credit all things considered. Just never had the power. His analysis/boxing intelligence is very good though, his mouth is his best asset and he does break down the action very well imo.

DellyBelly

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

McGregor to land less that 50 punches in the fight .. any mcgregor fans give me odds on that?

I reckon if McGregor lands 10 he knocks floyd out...I don't think Floyd has ever faced anyone with the power that Conor has....

Frank Bullitt

DellyBelly wrote: »

I reckon if McGregor lands 10 he knocks floyd out...I don't think Floyd has ever faced anyone with the power that Conor has....

Is that a joke?

I'm referring the the power part.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman

DellyBelly wrote: »

I reckon if McGregor lands 10 he knocks floyd out...I don't think Floyd has ever faced anyone with the power that Conor has....

Great so what odds?

begbysback

Gintonious wrote: »

Is that a joke?

I lol'd anyway - sure hasn't Conor been sparking everyone out in sparring

ThinkProgress

Mellor wrote: »

Why do you think losses years ago has an impact on the assessment of his current ability? Genuine question, as I don't understand that logic.

It's important to look at a fighter's entire body of work, when you are making an assessment of them. Past losses can, and often do, indicate potential weaknesses in the present/future.

I am of the opinion, that Conor has still not completely ironed out the weaknesses that caused those losses. He has made improvements... but he is still quite a bit away from being what you might term "the complete fighter"!! (if such a thing truly exists)

Say he had not taken those fights, but was the same fighter today in terms of ability - only unbeaten. In that hypothetical, I don't think he should be ranked any higher, were an objective ranking possible.

But the fighter of today, is a product of all his fights... so an undefeated Conor McGregor, would likely be a different fighter. I don't necessarily agree with the idea, that everybody gets better after suffering a loss.

'Win or learn' is a nice soundbite... something cool to tell the young kids in the gym. But there is also such a thing as, 'win AND learn'... like coming through a very though fight, where you almost lost, but you found a way to win! (perhaps without performing great)... You still have the win, but also some important lessons too!

Look at Jon Jones Vs Gustafsson, for example... tough fight for Jones... he was pushed hard. But he found a way to win. And I do believe, this win helped him grow and improve as a fighter... he is a better fighter today, because he came through difficult fights like that. And he still has a perfect unbeaten record... 'win AND learn'...

Losses obviously do change you as a fighter... and they do make you reflect on things. But I'm not so sure that they necessarily make you a better fighter. Different... but not necessarily better.

Conor has improved since entering the UFC... but he still has weaknesses that have not been fully addressed. We can see this from his two fights against Diaz. (in fact, Diaz found additional weak points, that weren't so obvious before)

But like I said previously, Conor is obviously a very good fighter on his day. I don't mean any of the above to be construed in a way that I'm suggesting he is anything other than that. But you can't just ignore certain fights and performances, and focus only on the ones where he performed great.

In fairness, the majority of his performances have been top notch. But he does have the occasional dodgy performance in him. That's what his record shows us... and none of those bad performances were against top fighters either. (this is certainly something worth highlighting)

Just asking a question btw. I agree that Jones is the GOAT, for numerous reasons. I also don't think that an MMA fighter is define by his record.

I do think fighters are defined by their records... In some respects, you might say it's a touch unfair. But it's the reality of combat sports!

If a video emerged tomorrow, of Bruce Lee being defeated in a fight for example, how would this affect his legacy?? Just a hypothetical I'll throw out there...

Obviously we can't really know for sure, whether Bruce was actually a great fighter anyway... so maybe it's a pointless example... and he would still hopefully remain an inspiration in terms of his skills and his great mind for martial arts....

But any such video, would clearly change how Bruce Lee is viewed. (imo anyway). That's just the harsh reality of combat sports... A huge part of his aura, is built around the idea of him being almost undefeatable.

Floyd Mayweather too... He has basically built an entire industry around the fact that he's never been defeated. If losses don't really matter... why does everyone seem so fascinated by undefeated fighters??

Your entire record is important, as a fighter... in many different respects. That's the way I view it. Barring probably only the very end of a career, if you are well past your prime years. That's the only slight exception I would make, in certain circumstances!

Sweet Science

This is great . An insight into the sweet science

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/20241022/floyd-mayweather-sparring-partners-makes-unbeatable

A Shaved Duck?

DellyBelly wrote: »

I reckon if McGregor lands 10 he knocks floyd out...I don't think Floyd has ever faced anyone with the power that Conor has....

This thread always delivers... what power are you talking about?.. you cant compare the power he carries in the UFC as the gloves are different.

You dont even have to go back that far in floyds record to find madaina who is a very hard puncher.

Outlaw Pete

DellyBelly wrote: »

I don't think Floyd has ever faced anyone with the power that Conor has....

He can exploit it much more than any other opponent Floyd has faced in a long time too......

Given that McGregor's 74" reach is the longest Floyd has had to deal with in that long long time.

Andrea Berto 68½"
Manny Pacquiao 67"
Marcos Maidana 69"
Canelo Álvarez 70"
Robert Guerrero 71"
Miguel Cotto 67"
Victor Ortiz 70"
Shane Mosley 71"
Manuel Muez 67"
Ricky Hatton 65"
De La Hoya 73"
Carlos Baldomir 68"
Zab Judah 72"
Sharmba Mitchell 72"
Arturo Gatti 70"
Henry Bruseles 69"
DeMarcus Corley 70"
Phillip N'dou 72"
Josuis Castillo 69"
Jesús Chz 65"
Carlos Hernez 66"
Diego Corrales 70"
Emanuel Augustus 68"
Gregorio Vargas 67"

Sweet Science

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

He can exploit it much more than any other opponent Floyd has faced in a long time too......

Given that McGregor's 74" reach is the longest Floyd has had to deal with in that long long time.

Yeah should land at will man .

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

He can exploit it much more than any other opponent Floyd has faced in a long time too......

Given that McGregor's 74" reach is the longest Floyd has had to deal with in that long long time.

What odds will you give me on McGregor landing less that 50 punches?