sodacake1968 wrote: » Riskymove wrote: » It is Departments that must follow the ratio not PAS PAS will respond to requests from Departments for example PAS oculd recieve requests from 10 Departments all seeking someone from Open Panel so next 10 would all be from Open[/QUOTE if rumours are to be believed certain departments have debts to various panels - not a very transparent process I'm afraid!! I wonder how much in reality it makes a difference. If there (and this is an estimate) are two thirds of applicants on open and interd whether the person is taken from the interd or open doesn't matter as in 2/3rds of cases it is the same person. Know very little on the internal process but imagine there is crossover there between interd and internal.
Riskymove wrote: » It is Departments that must follow the ratio not PAS PAS will respond to requests from Departments for example PAS oculd recieve requests from 10 Departments all seeking someone from Open Panel so next 10 would all be from Open[/QUOTE if rumours are to be believed certain departments have debts to various panels - not a very transparent process I'm afraid!!
coloneldecker wrote: » I rang this morning to try to get my place on the Dublin panel but told they don't keep a specific Dublin panel which seems weird, I would've thought they'd have the panels done up for each region but apparently they do them all except Dublin. The guy told me the open placing was a very good indication of Dublin placing as there were very few people without Dublin as a selection which again seems weird given that a good few people on here seem to be regional only. He also said that being on both open and interdepartmental is no advantage and the open is all that really matters. So basically I know no more after that call than I did before, if anything, I know less!!
Link3n wrote: » Hi, Just wondering if anybody has the latest regarding batch 2. What number are they at for Dublin? Anybody get their placing for regional locations? Did anybody get an offer from batch 2 yet? Would be great to get some clarification on the whole thing?
Bottlescrew wrote: » but I thought that they had to appoint in rotation from open, inter D and internal panels.
Killer K wrote: » Quick question. For the E-vetting process, would a court conviction of a speeding offence mean you wouldn't get through that process?
JD1763 wrote: » I and many others feel that the open competitions are a fairer process compared to internal competitions. They may be tougher to get through but it is a more meritocratic process and eliminates the vagaries and office politics of internal competitions. You may not like the fact that you have to get through the battery of tests to get an interview but ultimately everyone in that seat before the panel is on a level playing field to sell themselves. The same cannot be said of internal competitions where colleagues are interviewing those they may know by reputation or previous encounters and there is an inherent bias that exists even if it is not acknowledged by the panel. In the open process, all those on the various panels have demonstrated to the interview board's satisfaction that they are capable of fulfilling the role. If you are not competitive in the open competitions you would help yourself more by taking a hard look at why you may not have made it and working on improving that for next time instead of trying to find fault with the process.
gics wrote: » I'm sorry but what makes you qualified to say who is more suited or not for a position. Recruitment processes are in place for internal, interdepartmental & open candidates which have been worked out by skilled qualified people in order to treat everyone in the fairness way possible and the individuals sitting on the panel are highly qualified in their field therefore I would be of the opinion are able to judge what makes a good AP. If its the sequence of filling vacancies you are concerned with them again that was agreed between civil service bodies and unions in order to treat all panels in the fairest way possible. How you think you are more qualified to judge than all these people shocks me & to me can only be sour grapes. At a guess I would say you can't make it through the testing (which many people who would make good APs cant but a recruitment process cant be designed that suits everyone as individuals have different skills) and therefore are left with the internal only option and are so far down the panel you'll not get called. Feel free to contradict me but it is beyond arrogant to say that you or anyone else is better qualified just because of what panel you are on. Many of us are on all three panels so that in itself contradicts what you've said.
ThumbTaxed wrote: » Honest question. How do you feel about taking a job ahead of someone who is far better suited to that job and the only reason you are getting it is because of the inadequate way PAS and the civil service hire? No, it isn't sour grapes by the way. I am speaking on behalf of those better qualified on internal promotion lists or open panels who are blocked by such persons.
Irish.sherpa wrote: » Any one from batch 2 had any luck ascertaining their position on Dublin location? I called PAS and I was told they haven't moved to batch 2 and I couldn't get an update on my position
shibbyj wrote: » I was told today that they have not yet reached Batch 2 for regional placing so no info available. I'm regional only.
coloneldecker wrote: » Irish.sherpa wrote: » Any one from batch 2 had any luck ascertaining their position on Dublin location? I called PAS and I was told they haven't moved to batch 2 and I couldn't get an update on my position That seems weird given that they haven't moved on to Batch 2 for regions either but they're giving info on Batch 2 region positions out.
Killer K wrote: » Was that from a phone call to PAS or other sources?
Uriel. wrote: » Yeah I've been hearing that batch 2 will see a significant amount of movement very quickly
Zoolujookie wrote: » Hey. I'm not sure as I have 2 regional selections-chances are with those though!!! I would be very surprised of they didn't have a dublin figure for those on B2.
coloneldecker wrote: » Do they do a Dublin panel and give out placings if asked in the same way as they do regional ones?
Zoolujookie wrote: » Regional panels are out for batch 2 (finally!!). I contacted pas on Thursday on the off chance and got my 2 locations-based on open they won't give interD. Also I think all people on batch 2 had their hr contacted on Thurs for SL and pmds. Sounds to me like they are just been prepared!
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