Patww79 wrote: » This post has been deleted.
end of the road wrote: » no . 51% vote for a ui then it must happen. those who don't want to be part of ireland can go back to britain.
Rick Shaw wrote: » My best guess is because theyre already 'Irish' residing outside of Ireland. The North is a state that exists seperate to Ireland (they can check their passports for verification of this) The harsh reality for many nationalist is, that once they embark on a journey down to the Republic, they're broadly looked upon as 'Brits' anyway. Green or blue, it's no matter to most of the Irish Republic, you're simply British down there.
Junkyard Tom wrote: » Failing that just get the +50% vote for unification and pull the plaster off quickly.
Rick Shaw wrote: » Lol. A nationalist from the north referring to a southerner as an "Irish fenian"? Obviously all the northern based GAA county teams have a long history of trouble making and hostility towards local residents on match days when they reach Dublin too. Complete bollocks.
6541 wrote: » No I just said hello to her, also earlier in another bar I was talking to some women who identified as east Belfast women, they had never met anyone from the south ! We haven't a hope of unity or friendship with these people. They are 50 years behind us.
seamus wrote: » And the Sinn Fein "types" are Irish citizens now and their descendents if they choose. So why do they want a United Ireland at all? Have a think about that and you might realise why unionists wouldn't want a UI, regardless of what citizenship they get to keep.
Bambi wrote: » I don't need to have a think about anything. that post wasn't an invitation to debate I was just pointing out that you're completely wrong.
Patww79 wrote: » A huge amount of them dislike the Irish as much as unionists do.
seamus wrote: » The other 49% didn't come from Britain. Northern Ireland is their homeland. Why should they be forced out? Isn't that exactly what happened during the plantations? How does repeating the past make the future better?
seamus wrote: » Nationalism is also a political stance. I think you're understating what unionism is tbh. Many if not most unionists identify as British. Telling them they're no longer British and are now Irish is as horrifying to them as if I told you that you were no longer Irish and are now British.
seamus wrote: » It's an attack on their core identity.
end of the road wrote: » they aren't being forced out. they can stay in northern ireland if they like and remain irish like they are currently, but they will be under irish rule instead of british rule. not at all. they aren't british but irish currently so they would only be told what they are. they never were british and never will be. no it's not.
red ears wrote: » Sounds like you were chatting away to anyone you met with an Irish accent which is a little naive, particularly with northern people. As you say the hatred can be strong among some of them and especially so if they are drunk. East Belfast would he largely loyalist/unionist. Picture someone like Johnny Adair and his family and friends on holidays. You wouldn't dream of interacting with him. Unfortunately there are many still like that up there.
SEPT 23 1989 wrote: » so the only problems were in relation to the fire brigade being busy they have come a long way
seamus wrote: » Nationalism is also a political stance. I think you're understating what unionism is tbh. Many if not most unionists identify as British. Telling them they're no longer British and are now Irish is as horrifying to them as if I told you that you were no longer Irish and are now British. It's an attack on their core identity.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » Yes but they will have to answer to the government in dublin. not sure they would be too keen on that.
seamus wrote: » See my post above. Republicans are Irish in the UK. So why do they want a UI? The same reason why unionists wouldn't accept being British in a UI.
Ce he sin wrote: » And suppose they want to stay just where they are and not live in Ireland. Suppose for example that those in Unionist majority areas decide by way of vote they want to form their own mini state and rejoin the UK. How would you react to that democratic decision? Ethnic cleansing?
ohnonotgmail wrote: » who do you think you are that you think you can tell them what their identity is?
Jayop wrote: » Rubbish. There's plenty of assholes from east Belfast but to tell a poster he was naive for talking to someone because they have a northern accent is beyond ridiculous.
Patww79 wrote: » Even your constant use of 'free staters' and 'the south' shows a complete lack of respect to the Irish. For a lot of you that lack of respect has edged into a strong dislike. When you're starting at a base of offensive then it's not that big a step.
red ears wrote: » Doing so drunk in a bar can often lead to trouble. I stand over that advice.
end of the road wrote: » someone giving the facts. their identity is irish. born in ireland, irish. the fact they are partially ruled but fully subsidized by the uk tax payer, who don't recognise them as being british because they aren't, doesn't change that reality.
Patww79 wrote: » This is Ireland. The south of Ireland is Munster, Wexford at a push. If they've no respect for the country they claim to want to be part of, then it's further reasoning for the status quo.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Do you have the same problem with those who refer to North America and South America? :rolleyes:
