colm_mcm wrote: » One for the brave perhaps, but if it made it this far...https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/08-citroen-c5-1-6-hdi/16002563
CiDeRmAn wrote: » It's been asked before, but is that 1.6 a poor engine? Are there gearbox/DMF issues with them?
BOBIDGE wrote: » In Bill I trust! Honda Civic. Looks clean enough, a few dings to contend with. I do c.20,000 miles a year, mixed driving. I may take a look. Really would prefer a non diesel but would ideally go for an automatic. Any opinions appreciated!http://m.billgriffinmotors.ie/photos.php?ad_id=1766236
KC161 wrote: » The neighbour bought one of these in an auto version in 2007, he has the hybrid version, 1.6 i think. He still has it 10 years on. They don't appear to be the worst car out there, however the interior reminds me of the final generation Nissan Primera.
grogi wrote: » Hybrid is 1.3.
BOBIDGE wrote: » In Bill I trust! Would definitely not trust Bill, he wont budge on the price, no haggling allowed! Also they'll try and get you to sign a disclaimer - in case the car has any issues once it leaves the lot, its your baby! Trusting Bill could break your heart and your wallet.
Muckie wrote: » BOBIDGE wrote: » In Bill I trust! Would definitely not trust Bill, he wont budge on the price, no haggling allowed! Also they'll try and get you to sign a disclaimer - in case the car has any issues once it leaves the lot, its your baby! Trusting Bill could break your heart and your wallet. Once you treat it like a private sale I cannot see any issues. Eyes wide open as ever though!
bazz26 wrote: » Why bother buying from a dealer then?
Muckie wrote: » Exactly what i thought when i visited them recently. Put me right off buying from them, if they refuse to stand over what there selling! You might as well go with donedeal purchase and meet a chap in an Aldi carpark!
bazz26 wrote: » Cheap dependable Corolla with a year's test for under €1600:https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2004-toyota-corolla-1-4-just-ncted/15647918
Muckie wrote: » BOBIDGE wrote: » In Bill I trust! Would definitely not trust Bill, he wont budge on the price, no haggling allowed! Also they'll try and get you to sign a disclaimer - in case the car has any issues once it leaves the lot, its your baby! Trusting Bill could break your heart and your wallet. Would I be right in saying that the disclaimer means nothing? As far as I'm aware, when a dealer sells a car, he is bound by the same consumer laws no matter what he gets you to sign. If a dealer did ask me to sign a disclaimer, I'd be inclined to assume he's selling me a lemon though.
Muckie wrote: » Would I be right in saying that the disclaimer means nothing? As far as I'm aware, when a dealer sells a car, he is bound by the same consumer laws no matter what he gets you to sign. If a dealer did ask me to sign a disclaimer, I'd be inclined to assume he's selling me a lemon though.
eamonnq wrote: » and if that is correct, how is he allowed to continue getting people to sign these disclaimers ?
Gravelly wrote: » Muckie wrote: » Would I be right in saying that the disclaimer means nothing? As far as I'm aware, when a dealer sells a car, he is bound by the same consumer laws no matter what he gets you to sign. If a dealer did ask me to sign a disclaimer, I'd be inclined to assume he's selling me a lemon though. No, you are not right. The responsibility of the dealer can be reduced if the buyer agrees to that and the agreement is in writing.
yobr wrote: » Is it just me but is €1,600 a lot of money for a 13 year old car? Appreciate you would pick it up for less though.
grogi wrote: » No, you are not right. The responsibility of the dealer can be reduced if the buyer agrees to that and the agreement is in writing. Would be interested in seeing the actual consumer law that says so. I've never seen an opt out clause in Irish consumer law - do you have a link to it?
No, you are not right. The responsibility of the dealer can be reduced if the buyer agrees to that and the agreement is in writing.
Gravelly wrote: » Would be interested in seeing the actual consumer law that says so. I've never seen an opt out clause in Irish consumer law - do you have a link to it?
(2) Without prejudice to any other condition or warranty, in every contract for the sale of a motor vehicle (except a contract in which the buyer is a person whose business it is to deal in motor vehicles) there is an implied condition that at the time of delivery of the vehicle under the contract it is free from any defect which would render it a danger to the public, including persons travelling in the vehicle. 3) Subsection (2) of this section shall not apply where— (a) it is agreed between the seller and the buyer that the vehicle is not intended for use in the condition in which it is to be delivered to the buyer under the contract, and (b) a document consisting of a statement to that effect is signed by or on behalf of the seller and the buyer and given to the buyer prior to or at the time of such delivery, and (c) it is shown that the agreement referred to in paragraph (a) is fair and reasonable.
grogi wrote: » Would be interested in seeing the actual consumer law that says so. I've never seen an opt out clause in Irish consumer law - do you have a link to it?
Gravelly wrote: » Sale of Goods and Supply of Services Act, 1980 Section 13 (3). Hmmm - interesting. So he can get someone to sign a document saying the car is not fit to drive in the condition it is in, and then watch them drive it out the gate! Wonder how insurance cover would work in that case?
eamonnq wrote: » I think 'free from any defect which would render it a danger to the public, including persons travelling in the vehicle.' would not include the vehicle breaking down.
Gravelly wrote: » What I'm wondering is, in the case where I agree that my car is not fit for service, would that be an easy opt-out for my insurance company in the event of an accident.
grogi wrote: » Do you really need to ask? It would be negligence on your side... Nevertheless there is also a precedent when a dealer allowed a customer to drive off in a car like that who had an accident shortly after. The dealer was found guilty of something too...
Gravelly wrote: » I didn't really need to ask, no! I'd imagine the dealer could very well be legally held to account, bringing me back to my original point that these waivers are probably not worth the paper they are written on, and are just to scare the gullible into not pursuing action in the event of a defect.
ohnonotgmail wrote: » you need to read the act very carefullyUnless the disclaimer says something to the effect of "you should not use this vehicle until issues x,y and z are resolved" then the disclaimer is worthless. A blanket disclaimer saying dealer is not responsible for any problems that may occur is not valid.
Muckie wrote: You might as well go with donedeal purchase and meet a chap in an Aldi carpark!
