Mens Rights Thread

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Agreed.

So it might be the right thing to do? And the people who complained that the women's caucus was a bad thing are wrong? I can't find the standard that can be applied to both sides.

I would say so yes and we should all aim to be allot more equal in our politics.

I complained about it and then advocated a men's group so I see your point and I was wrong as I am no better for viewing things in that way.

Thanks for teasing this out for me, always good to broaden the mind.

El_Duderino 09

Calhoun wrote:

Well I think a group made up of variety of citizens looking at our human rights in different areas would be the best way to go in a perfect world.

Agreed.

Calhoun wrote:

We don't operate in a perfect world however and a mens group maybe the right thing to do in order the highlight and bring to the fore men's rights in certain areas.

So it might be the right thing to do? And the people who complained that the women's caucus was a bad thing are wrong? I can't find the standard that can be applied to both sides.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The women's group is being portrayed exclusively as non-pc in this thread. Yet it exists.
So being seen as non-pc doesn't mean you can't exist or get things done.

Is forming a male/female caucus right or wrong in your opinion? Because it seemed posters agreed it was wrong when women did it but then thought it might be a good idea for men to do it. The main barrier appears to be that it might be seen as non-pc. So was there a change of heart about whether or not it's ok to form a male/female caucus?

Well I think a group made up of variety of citizens looking at our human rights in different areas would be the best way to go in a perfect world.

We don't operate in a perfect world however and a mens group maybe the right thing to do in order the highlight and bring to the fore men's rights in certain areas.

El_Duderino 09

Calhoun wrote:

I think posters are more concerned about the hypocrisy of the current status quo in politics that a men's only group couldn't be created as it would be seen as non PC.

The women's group is being portrayed exclusively as non-pc in this thread. Yet it exists.
So being seen as non-pc doesn't mean you can't exist or get things done.

Is forming a male/female caucus right or wrong in your opinion? Because it seemed posters agreed it was wrong when women did it but then thought it might be a good idea for men to do it. The main barrier appears to be that it might be seen as non-pc. So was there a change of heart about whether or not it's ok to form a male/female caucus?

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

iptba wrote:

It could be useful. But it is probably too politically incorrect at the moment. It probably would take more active groups outside before this would happen.

It never occurred to me that posters in this thread would be so concerned by political correctness.

I was giving my opinion on what I see as the practical reality that male politicians would be very nervous about setting up or being seen as being involved in a men's caucus. Hardly a particularly noteworthy comment.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

It might be practical to form a group to find solutions to the problems raised in these threads.

It never occurred to me that posters in this thread would be so concerned by political correctness.

It seemed to be agreed that the idea of a women's only caucas was a bad idea - it featured in a thread about attacks on men's rights.

If it's wrong for women to do it, then wouldn't it be equally wrong for men to do it? Or is it right for women and men? Or wrong for women but right for men?

What would you advocate ?

I think posters are more concerned about the hypocrisy of the current status quo in politics that a men's only group couldn't be created as it would be seen as non PC.

Yet there are many rights issues that are unequal for men. Like father's rights ect.

El_Duderino 09

Calhoun wrote:

What power does the caucas have ? Maybe it's time we had a men's only group created. Obviously not supported by the government as it's increasingly likely that men's issue have to be championed by men .

It might be practical to form a group to find solutions to the problems raised in these threads.

iptba wrote:

It could be useful. But it is probably too politically incorrect at the moment. It probably would take more active groups outside before this would happen.

It never occurred to me that posters in this thread would be so concerned by political correctness.

It seemed to be agreed that the idea of a women's only caucas was a bad idea - it featured in a thread about attacks on men's rights.

If it's wrong for women to do it, then wouldn't it be equally wrong for men to do it? Or is it right for women and men? Or wrong for women but right for men?

iptba wrote: »

It could be useful. But it is probably too politically incorrect at the moment. It probably would take more active groups outside before this would happen.

I think as men we need to stop being afraid if being seen as non PC. When is the time we push back ? When it's too late ?

Calhoun wrote: »

Maybe it's time we had a men's only group created. Obviously not supported by the government as it's increasingly likely that men's issue have to be championed by men .

It could be useful. But it is probably too politically incorrect at the moment. It probably would take more active groups outside before this would happen.

What power does the caucas have ? Maybe it's time we had a men's only group created. Obviously not supported by the government as it's increasingly likely that men's issue have to be championed by men .

iptba wrote: »

'Leo models himself on Macron and Trudeau, but he's not living up to them when it comes to gender balance'

[..]

Female TDs and senators were also not happy with the numbers. It’s understood the matter will be raised at the?Oireachtas Women’s Caucus in the coming weeks.

http://www.thejournal.ie/leo-varadkar-gender-balance-3454802-Jun2017/

I imagine there was a Oireachtas Men’s Caucus we would have heard complaints about it, given all the fuss about (presumably less influential) men-only golf clubs

Question of men splinters the Oireachtas female caucus

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/question-of-men-splinters-the-oireachtas-female-caucus-3rqptk7s6

A lot of this is behind a pay wall.

It goes on to say:

It was decided to bar males but to review the constitution annually. There are is provision to invite men to participate in debates.

It ends:

The National Women's Council of Ireland will act as its secretariat

red ears

iptba wrote: »

RCSI to introduce measures to address "major gender imbalance" among surgeons.

http://mobile.medicalindependent.ie/page.aspx?contentid=99520

I wouldn't be surprised if this could lead to some males being disadvantaged

I'd say men can forget about becoming surgeons for a while.

I assume the same effort will go into getting more male midwives, nurses and teachers

RCSI to introduce measures to address "major gender imbalance" among surgeons.

http://mobile.medicalindependent.ie/page.aspx?contentid=99520

I wouldn't be surprised if this could lead to some males being disadvantaged

A lot of this is to do with these sociology/gender studies twats trying to keep themselves in a job and keep the government funding coming in, or else they'd have to go out into the real world outside their academic kindergarten and get an actual job.

http://news.cornell.edu/stories/2015/04/women-preferred-21-over-men-stem-faculty-positions

I have just by chance come across the following which covers a similar theme to the last message.

April 13, 2015
Women preferred 2:1 over men for STEM faculty positions
By Ted Boscia

For decades, sexism in higher education has been blamed for blocking women from landing academic positions in STEM (science, technology, engineering and mathematics) fields.

But a new study by Cornell psychologists suggests that era has ended, finding in experiments with professors from 371 colleges and universities across the United States that science and engineering faculty preferred women two-to-one over identically qualified male candidates for assistant professor positions.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-30/bilnd-recruitment-trial-to-improve-gender-equality-failing-study/8664888?pfmredir=sm

Blind recruitment trial to boost gender equality making things worse, study reveals

By political reporter Henry Belot

Updated 30 Jun 2017, 1:49am

Leaders of the Australian public service will today be told to "hit pause" on blind recruitment trials, which many believed would increase the number of women in senior positions.

[..]

"We found the opposite, that de-identifying candidates reduced the likelihood of women being selected for the shortlist."

The trial found assigning a male name to a candidate made them 3.2 per cent less likely to get a job interview.

Adding a woman's name to a CV made the candidate 2.9 per cent more likely to get a foot in the door.

I thought this was interesting. When it was found that blinded selection helped men it was suggested that the scheme be stopped.

I came across it in this video (which contains some swearing):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0gIn7JlrQk

Men banned from pop concert in Sweden now?

'Swedish music festival to be female-only until all men learn how to behave themselves'

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/sweden-music-festival-men-female-only-bravalla-rape-sexual-assault-emma-knyckare-a7824366.html?cmpid=facebook-post

I wonder what happens if a fire breaks out. Presumably 90% of firefighters will be banned from attending because they're mostly men.

Sleepy

Great to see some headway, hopefully the court cases will result in prosecutions.

Pawwed Rig

Interesting perspective on MGM here and how it was not taken seriously

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-40420511

red ears wrote: »

In my experience of having tests in the hospital recently any time I have encountered a male nurse they have been brilliant. Some of the women nurses are great too but I have met a few bad ones. I never met one male nurse with a bad attitude.

Gay men usually are very friendly and chatty.

red ears

In my experience of having tests in the hospital recently any time I have encountered a male nurse they have been brilliant. Some of the women nurses are great too but I have met a few bad ones. I never met one male nurse with a bad attitude.

iptba wrote: »

It starts:

One of Alibaba's secrets for success - hiring women. Check Ma share that and more at Gateway '17 in Detroit. Here are the highlights.

1. Women - Alibaba's 'secret sauce'.

Please pay special attention to women. Women care for other people much more than men. Men care for themselves. Women are going to be very powerful in the 21st-century. Last century people compared about muscle, this century, people compare about wisdom. Hire as many women as possible - this is what we did and this is the secret sauce.

There's a real chauvinism inside feminism isn't there? Imagine men saying things like "fathers are the future of parenting" or "mothers are obsolete" etc... It's funny (as in peculiar not 'haha') how being viewed as different to men when it's negative is sexism but being viewed different when it's a positive is a good thing.

Oh and the idea that women care more about people sounds a lot like saying women are nurturing doesn't it? isn't that what the awful white male patriarchy created to make sure women looked after children, the elderly and sick? A person is either against these gender roles and blanket generalizations or they're not. This is sort of like what the old feminist movements said they were against.

iptba wrote: »

A female friend shared this to her Facebook feed.

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It starts:

One of Alibaba's secrets for success - hiring women. Check Ma share that and more at Gateway '17 in Detroit. Here are the highlights.

1. Women - Alibaba's 'secret sauce'.

Please pay special attention to women. Women care for other people much more than men. Men care for themselves. Women are going to be very powerful in the 21st-century. Last century people compared about muscle, this century, people compare about wisdom. Hire as many women as possible - this is what we did and this is the secret sauce.

Yes China is the beacon of human rights and how people treat each other. I wonder how much his staff are paid and under what conditions .

A female friend shared this to her Facebook feed.

https://www.facebook.com/scmp/videos/10155379964444820/
South China Morning Post
June 22 at 6:30am ·

'Hire as many women as possible' - Jack Ma shares a secret of Alibaba's success.
More: http://buff.ly/2sTdnbx

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It starts:

One of Alibaba's secrets for success - hiring women. Check Ma share that and more at Gateway '17 in Detroit. Here are the highlights.

1. Women - Alibaba's 'secret sauce'.

Please pay special attention to women. Women care for other people much more than men. Men care for themselves. Women are going to be very powerful in the 21st-century. Last century people compared about muscle, this century, people compare about wisdom. Hire as many women as possible - this is what we did and this is the secret sauce.

'Leo models himself on Macron and Trudeau, but he's not living up to them when it comes to gender balance'

[..]

Female TDs and senators were also not happy with the numbers. It’s understood the matter will be raised at the Oireachtas Women’s Caucus in the coming weeks.

http://www.thejournal.ie/leo-varadkar-gender-balance-3454802-Jun2017/

I imagine there was a Oireachtas Men’s Caucus we would have heard complaints about it, given all the fuss about (presumably less influential) men-only golf clubs

'Leo models himself on Macron and Trudeau, but he's not living up to them when it comes to gender balance'

[..]

Female TDs and senators were also not happy with the numbers. It’s understood the matter will be raised at the?Oireachtas Women’s Caucus in the coming weeks.

Lol damn no holding back from Judge Judy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gyduoHg8jw

JUDGE JUDY: BAKSYS V RIZZO.... HOME TRUTHS ON MOTHERS WHO STOP FATHERS SEEING THEIR CHILDREN!

(6 minutes)

https://twitter.com/todowd/status/875797927771459584

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/16/opinion/why-fathers-leave-their-children.html?smid=tw-nytopinion&smtyp=cur&_r=1

Isn't necessarily a perfect match for all of what happens in Ireland.

I agree that more research on men's lives could be useful, especially if it didn't have to be done through the prism of feminism.