Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs MayweatherMOD Warning in 1st Post

Burial. wrote: »

Why are ye even wasting your time lads...spare your sanity.

Its too late for me i've accepted my fate , save yourself.

Sweet Science wrote: »

I have the strongest piece of evidence that is possible . He is not a boxer . Im better than Rory McIlroy at golf . Prove me wrong you have nothing to back it up with

It's very possible you're better than Rory at golf. Once I see you compete with him on the golf course I'll have some evidence to form an opinion.

There's an American guy called Jimmy Graham. He was a basketball player in a Miami university for 4 years until he graduated. He decided to do a post-grad and took up American Football for the year he was doing his post-grad.

Turns out he was an absolute natural in the tight-end position and is currently on a $40 million 4-year contract with the Seattle Seahawks.

By your logic, it wasn't possible for him to be amazing at American Football because he was a basketball player and only took up the new sport at the age of 24.

But i've seen McGregor box in sparring , seen him box a heavy bag , seen him box in MMA , note his amateur pedigree in Dublin , can see how bad his footwork is , can see his speed isnt great, can see he has a very bad jab, can see he will be boxing for his 1st time ever, can see he fighting an all time great pro boxer. I have all the evidence i need to make a very solid prediction that in the pro boxing game he is not at all good.

Im not sure what we want from us. I cant give him credit for nothing . If he goes in there and performs well i will be the 1st the praise him . I dont believe in fairytales though and this isn't a Stallone movie.

wonderfullife wrote: »

Floyd gets hit (by boxers) a lot more than people on this thread are making out, though. He's not some elusive ghost. Every opponent he has ever faced has landed on him frequently. He just makes it look like nothing because he's rolling away from the blows.

Yes, but he is getting hit by experienced boxers. Conor is not close to this. So, I think it's logical to assume/think that Floyd may have an easier time not getting hit by Conor.

OR, maybe Floyd won't care that Conor can or will land, as Conor is not a man who he believes has the combined elements of technique and speed and delivery and power to really bother him. In other words, Conor being so not a boxer means Floyd doesn't give a fook if maybe Conor lands.

I would not be surprised to see Floyd playing with Conor and allowing Conor bits of success here and there to make out that this is a real affair. Just in case you wet your pants, that is me saying that Floyd does this all by himself. Nothing to do with a staged agreement.

The gulf in class is so much that it really is cat and mouse stuff...

Sweet Science wrote: »

But i've seen McGregor box in sparring , seen him box a heavy bag , seen him box in MMA , note his amateur pedigree in Dublin , can see how bad his footwork is , can see his speed isnt great, can see he has a very bad jab, can see he will be boxing for his 1st time ever, can see he fighting an all time great pro boxer. I have all the evidence i need to make a very solid prediction that in the pro boxing game he is not at all good.

That's not evidence.

Paul McGrath and Ledley King barely trained in soccer because their knees were so bad but they were still beasts come match-day.

You're just making an informed guess and you might be very right or you might be very wrong.

We will all have evidence August 26th and then we can give much better opinions.

From purely MMA terms, Conor's jab is not good. His footwork and movement are exceptional. His hand-speed is average. His accuracy is amazing.

Let's see what he brings to the ring. The key concern is the lack of a jab given how important that is in boxing.

walshb wrote: »

Yes, but he is getting hit by experienced boxers. Conor is not close to this. So, I think it's logical to assume/think that Floyd may have an easier time not getting hit by Conor.

OR, maybe Floyd won't care that Conor can or will land, as Conor is not a man who he believes has the combined elements of technique and speed and delivery and power to really bother him. In other words, Conor being so not a boxer means Floyd doesn't give a fook if maybe Conor lands.

I would not be surprised to see Floyd playing with Conor and allowing Conor bits of success here and there to make out that this is a real affair. Just in case you wet your pants, that is me saying that Floyd does this all by himself. Nothing to do with a staged agreement.

The gulf in class is so much that it really is cat and mouse stuff...

I think Conor will annoy him so much in the build-up that Floyd will want to go in there and want to rip his head off. Conor will probably bring his domestic violence history into it, his kids into it, etc.

Gamebred

There is video footage of him sparring a professional boxer, I think that alone gives people evidence enough to form an opinion of some sort.

Gamebred wrote: »

There is video footage of him sparring a professional boxer, I think that alone gives people evidence enough to form an opinion of some sort.

Dangerous road to go down to judge people on training footage.

Conor has looked muck against Artem in sparring in the past.

wonderfullife wrote: »

I think Conor will annoy him so much in the build-up that Floyd will want to go in there and want to rip his head off. Conor will probably bring his domestic violence history into it, his kids into it, etc.

And there goes your 9 rds prediction for Conor!

walshb wrote: »

And there goes your 9 rds prediction for Conor!

To be clear my initial prediction was Floyd to win via 9th round TKO (not Conor to win).

But I'm open minded enough to change my pick if I see any encouraging reasons to do so.

Gamebred

wonderfullife wrote: »

Dangerous road to go down to judge people on training footage.

Conor has looked muck against Artem in sparring in the past.

Thats open to ones interpretation, if you take it as face value he got lit up by someone not in the same universe as Mayweather, his movements lack of jab ect in that are proof he hasnt got solid fundamentals for professional boxing.

wonderfullife wrote: »

That's not evidence.

Paul McGrath and Ledley King barely trained in soccer because their knees were so bad but they were still beasts come match-day.

You're just making an informed guess and you might be very right or you might be very wrong.

We will all have evidence August 26th and then we can give much better opinions.

From purely MMA terms, Conor's jab is not good. His footwork and movement are exceptional. His hand-speed is average. His accuracy is amazing.

Let's see what he brings to the ring. The key concern is the lack of a jab given how important that is in boxing.

They were professional soccer players man .

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman

wonderfullife wrote: »

To be clear my initial prediction was Floyd to win via 9th round TKO (not Conor to win).

But I'm open minded enough to change my pick if I see any encouraging reasons to do so.

Yeh, I know you have Conor to lose.

wonderfullife wrote: »

That's not evidence.

Paul McGrath and Ledley King barely trained in soccer because their knees were so bad but they were still beasts come match-day.

You're just making an informed guess and you might be very right or you might be very wrong.

We will all have evidence August 26th and then we can give much better opinions.

From purely MMA terms, Conor's jab is not good. His footwork and movement are exceptional. His hand-speed is average. His accuracy is amazing.

Let's see what he brings to the ring. The key concern is the lack of a jab given how important that is in boxing.

Paul McGrath and Ledley King? What sort of nonsense quote is that? Both were exceptional soccer players who got to the highest level and then once they got there injuries prevented them from training as much as normal professionals.

McGregor is not a professional boxer who couldn't train because of injury. He's a great MMA fighter who called out Mayweather for the money, not for anything else, it's all just for the money. And he got what he wanted so now we have this mis match in August.

Too Tough To Die

wonderfullife wrote: »

How do you know that Conor doesn't? You've zero idea how much boxing ability Conor has and neither do I. Until we see him in a boxing ring in an actual match, we can only speculate.

All his sparring partners are saying he's an extremely good boxer.

They're all getting paid so I'll take their reviews with a pinch of salt but the one guy not being paid is Conor Wallace because he's not in the camp and he is saying the same thing. I suppose even with him, he might be hoping for future call-ups to the camp for Diaz 3.

For all we know he turns up on fight night with an improved jab, crisp counters, good footwork, precise combinations and makes a fight of it.

It would require a huge irrational leap of faith for me to assume Conor has a tonne of boxing ability. I could care less what his sparring partners say, he's quite obviously not an 'extremely good boxer', lol.

ThinkProgress

wonderfullife wrote: »

There's nothing Conor can do in the ring to earn the respect of old-school boxing fans. He could piece Floyd up for 12 rounds and win a 118-110 decision and people still wouldn't show him respect.

Did you type this out with a straight face?? :pac:

What do you think, boxing fans are just a bunch of old cranks that hate MMA and McGregor?

Wonderfullife, you remind me of that general in full metal jacket, when he tells joker to re-discover his patriotism...

"Who's side are you on, son...!?...Don't you love your country...!?... Well, how about getting with the program...!?... Why don't you jump on the team, and come on in for the big win!!!"

I'm sure lots of patriotic Irish sports fans would love to jump on board the big hype train, and ride that wave of optimism to victory. However, not when it requires you to essentially suspend all logic and knowledge that you have of the sport...

Unfortunately, optimism or patriotism is simply not going to cut it, against one of the most skilled boxing technicians of our generation. (or any generation for that matter)

I have no issue with people dreaming... it's why many people occasionally do the lottery. No harm in it, I say...

But please, don't come on a boxing forum and attempt to build a logic-based argument for how McGregor wins this fight. Or even makes it somewhat competitive. It's just rather insulting to people's intelligence, and it makes you look like a bit of a desperate fanboy tbh!!

walshb wrote: »

I would not be surprised to see Floyd playing with Conor and allowing Conor bits of success here and there to make out that this is a real affair.

Let's hope so............

In slow-mo:

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Let's hope so............

Are you and Wonderforlife the same person ? Can you imagine a boxer throwing a punch like your man its embarrassing to look at

Sweet Science wrote: »

Are you and Wonderforlife the same person ? Can you imagine a boxer throwing a punch like your man its embarrassing to look at

You're missing the point.......

Of course Mayweather is in a different league to Ivan Buchinger... wasn't trying to compare the two of them... and mma gloves are being used here, so much less force transfer.

The point is that if Mayweather "allows Conor bits of success" he is liable to regret it given that sweet left of McGregor's.

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

The point is that if Mayweather "allows Conor bits of success" he is liable to regret it given that sweet left of McGregor's.

No, he is not liable.....nonsense to think he will regret it.

What does success mean to you? That Floyd sticks his chin out and say away you go, Conor hit me full on as hard as you can?

And by the way, Floyd still beats Conor with one arm/hand in a boxing ring!

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

You're missing the point.......

Of course Mayweather is in a different league to Ivan Buchinger... wasn't trying to compare the two of them... and mma gloves are being used here, so much less force transfer.

The point is that if Mayweather "allows Conor bits of success" he is liable to regret it given that sweet left of McGregor's.

I dont think he will allow him any success. Nobody likes being punched

walshb wrote: »

No, he is not liable.....nonsense to think he will regret it.

Well, he won't be liable to do it as Floyd is not as deluded as you with regards to underestimating McGregor......

What does success mean to you? That Floyd sticks his chin out and say away you go, Conor hit me full on as hard as you can?

You said it, not me..... and no matter how I infer it, makes no difference as ANY 'success' Floyd allowed McGregor would be a big mistake........ you're in lala land if you think just because Floyd is an excellent boxer (maybe the best p4p ever, defensively anyway) then that therefore makes him immune to being affected by Conor's punches.

And by the way, Floyd still beats Conor with one arm/hand in a boxing ring!

I honestly think at this stage you are confusing Floyd Mayweather with Mike Tyson.... as nothing else could excuse coming out with such idiocy.

Sweet Science wrote: »

I dont think he will allow him any success. Nobody likes being punched

Success doesn't always have to be about landing clean or hurtful shots. And in this match up it certainly doesn't have to mean that.

Conor making life a little awkward will be success...

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

I honestly think at this stage you are confusing Floyd Mayweather with Mike Tyson.... as nothing else could excuse saying such idiocy.

Funny how nobody else thinks like you on this.......Nobody that I am aware of

Floyd with the left hand, where he can jab and hook and uppercut would still break Conor down...And he'd still have way too much movement and skills and defense for Conor.

You really are not all that versed on hand to hand boxing combat!

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

you're in lala land if you think just because Floyd is an excellent boxer (maybe the best p4p ever, defensively anyway) then that therefore makes him immune to being affected by Conor's punches.

Who said Floyd would be immune to Conor's shots?

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman

walshb wrote: »

Funny how nobody else thinks like you on this.......Nobody that I am aware of

What are you on about..... I'd say millions of people would agree that Floyd allowed Conor 'success' might not work out to well for him. You're the one saying stuff that you'd only likely read in the comment section of YouTube vid.

Floyd with the left hand, where he can jab and hook and uppercut would still break Conor down...And he'd still have way too much movement and skills and defense for Conor.

You're deluded. How the hell could Floyd defend against body and head punches with one hand........ Conor would annihilate him if Floyd could only use one arm ffs. I can't believe I'm having this conversation. You seem to think boxers have some kind of superpower.

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

What are you on about..... I'd say millions of people would agree that Floyd allowed Conor 'success' might not work out to well for him. You're the one saying stuff that you'd only likely read in the comment section of YouTube vid.

You're deluded. How the hell could Floyd defend against body and head punches with one hand........ Conor would annihilate him if Floyd could only use one arm ffs. I can't believe I'm having this conversation. You seem to think boxers have some kind of superpower.

Would be a fairer fight if Mayweather could only use one arm. :0:)

ThinkProgress

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

You're missing the point.......

Of course Mayweather is in a different league to Ivan Buchinger... wasn't trying to compare the two of them... and mma gloves are being used here, so much less force transfer.

The point is that if Mayweather "allows Conor bits of success" he is liable to regret it given that sweet left of McGregor's.

Two points on this:

1) IF Conor manages to land that "big left" flush on MW... (and it's a very big IF)... it's unlikely to do anywhere near the same damage to a top boxer. I think you underestimate MW's ability to take a punch!

He will most likely take any such punch, much better than any of Conor's MMA opponents. (just look how Nate took his punches, and that guy is a C-level boxer in the pro ranks at best)

2) Bigger gloves. Better conditioning. Better ringcraft.

Bigger gloves - self explanatory really.

The conditioning of a top level boxer, allows him/her to absorb punches better than MMA fighters. All that bulky muscle that you are required to have for grappling and ground fighting, will sap your stamina and in most cases result in you getting KO'd easier when you get hit by big shots.

Floyd doesn't have to worry about this. Conor does!!

As regards ringcraft: in the highly unlikely event that Floyd does get rocked by something... he will simply get on his bike and ride out the storm. He has the craftiness to do this. There is no way he will stand flat-footed against the ropes, like Chad Mendes for example, and allow Conor to tee off on him!!

(but, for me, there is next to no chance he gets rocked by anything)

I can understand McGregor fans being seduced by the above video clips... they see how his left leaves MMA guys in a heap, sometimes when he barely even touches them. But these guys are mere mortals compared with someone like MW... completely different animals.

Physically, technically, mentally... there really is no comparison!

walshb wrote: »

Who said Floyd would be immune to Conor's shots?

That's what you are effectively saying when you claim that Floyd might allow McGregor "bits of success"........ the only reason a fighter would ever allow another fighter "bits of success" is if they felt doing so would not take anything from them..... ie: they were immune from that fighter hurting them.

I don't think you understand the implication of half the things you say.